Redemption
One less gobshite...
So, a boycot with no one attending ? Who's going to take the banner in?
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When was your breaking point for Fawaz?
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Wes' Organ
Biggles
We'll take some advice from Derby fans on that one.
Raymondo Ponte'
It's all about mid-table...
Bryn?
incapable hulk
Best served cold
Good points. I genuinely believe the best way to protest is to just not go and that's always the best way to do it for any club. Protesting just shows these people that you care and are willing to still turn and pay no matter what they do. They don't care if we are upset, as long as we are putting money in their pockets and able to point to sponsors and go "look at how many fans we get every week - give us more money". Until fans vote with their feet and genuinely stop attending then the owners at football clubs won't take notice. If you've bought a season ticket then it's a tougher choice to make but it's a more emphatic protest if anything because you are basically throwing money away. So I totally understand why many fans still attend even though they are ticked off.
Sad fact is a protest at a game doesn't serve anyone because you've already played into their hands by buying a ticket and walking through the gate. They aren't there to hear your protests so it's a lot of wasted energy.
I really want Fawaz gone and think fans should voice their frustrations but there's better ways to do it and to make the point than a "Fawaz out" chant or general booing as things like that take the players focus off the game and onto the fans into the stand which will only see us lose more points and slide back towards division 3.
My big hope is Daniel Taylor's jibes at Fawaz start something and he and other journalists make a point of drawing attention to the shambles in a way that makes Fawaz look like a fool as his reputation back home will mean more to him than a few fans booing at a game he isn't attending. I can't think of many protests at clubs in recent years that have yielded positive results. He's a vain man who cares most about having the image of a successful business man, so if the press genuinely go at this, more than just the odd paragraph buried near the crossword, that will be where this battle is won or lost imo.
At least that's my POV anyway, if you want to protest then go for it, but I am just starting to come round to the idea with the way the club is unravelling both on and off the pitch relegation could be a very real possibility and that would be a disaster.
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Bryn Gunn
Cash is King!
Carlos
Massive Member
The fact he gave one of the worst managers since megson (Dougie) more time than Stuart f***ing Pearce did it for me. Put my money where my mouth was and f**ked off elsewhere.
I'd have kept Psycho too.
Dougie wouldn't have been my first choice as manager, but I and many others I speak to didn't think Dougie was crap. I shudder at every throw-away anti Dougie comment on here.
There was no way that with injuries (I counted NINE at one point), and the financial constraints we had, that we were going to be promoted.
The season was a write-off from the time of the Antonio/Assombalonga losses.
We never really had enough threat up front to stop pressure on our defence. Dougie therefore focused on keeping out the opposition.
He settled on a game plan and stuck to it. Fact - it saved us from relegation which was a definite risk.
The football was often turgid but before he was pressurised by Fawaz to produce goals (that went really well didn't it), he accumulated enough points to keep us up.
Shout me down as much as you like, but only being able to get in a limited number of loan players, who at £5,000 per week max were unlikely to be game-changers, was a killer.
Dougie tried to stick to his guns but was sacked by that centre of football knowledge who we are now trying to get rid of. I hated the football last year, but respected what Dougie felt he was forced to do.
This is the deal, I won't mention Freedman again as long as others don't mention him as the anti-Christ. He kept us up IMHO.
Just saying.
Dougie wouldn't have been my first choice as manager, but I and many others I speak to didn't think Dougie was crap. I shudder at every throw-away anti Dougie comment on here.
There was no way that with injuries (I counted NINE at one point), and the financial constraints we had, that we were going to be promoted.
The season was a write-off from the time of the Antonio/Assombalonga losses.
We never really had enough threat up front to stop pressure on our defence. Dougie therefore focused on keeping out the opposition.
He settled on a game plan and stuck to it. Fact - it saved us from relegation which was a definite risk.
The football was often turgid but before he was pressurised by Fawaz to produce goals (that went really well didn't it), he accumulated enough points to keep us up.
Shout me down as much as you like, but only being able to get in a limited number of loan players, who at £5,000 per week max were unlikely to be game-changers, was a killer.
Dougie tried to stick to his guns but was sacked by that centre of football knowledge who we are now trying to get rid of. I hated the football last year, but respected what Dougie felt he was forced to do.
This is the deal, I won't mention Freedman again as long as others don't mention him as the anti-Christ. He kept us up IMHO.
Just saying.
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
With all due respect, I think that is a huge exaggeration. You can say a lot of things about Dougie in terms of his style, but I fail to believe he did a worse job than a lot of managers we have had, I thought he did an OK job. It wasn't great but it wasn't bad either. I think putting him in the same breath of megson is absolutely ridiculous.
That's my opinion anyway.
Ravi
Upper Decker
Dougie did a decent job under very difficult circumstances. Yes the football was pragmatic, but his tactical ability yielded some good wins, notably at home to Derby and away to a Boro team who hadn't lost at home in an age. Last season was all about mustering enough points to keep us out of the bottom three, and that aim was achieved.
Barry
Where's me hammer?
I pay to be entertained, i dont expect us to win every week but i expect us to compete. So many games last year we just made up the numbers. And it was so predictable it made it unenjoyable. This wasn't just a style he had adapted for us, its the style he has used throughout his brief management career.
Quite a few times ive seen you post stuff about him getting points here and there and i do believe you posted that you thought he'd have 8 more points than PM.... Sorry i just dont see it. His sides didnt score goals..so if the opposition did breach our defence they were definitely on for a point, probably more. For every Middlesbrough away (great result) there was a hudds, sheff weds (poor result) mixed in with a what the hell you doing result (mk dons) and thats off top of my head.
Its of course all a matter of opinions but lets not big it up for what it was, yeah he had FFP but that wasent a great shock as that was in place before he arrived...as was our long list of injuries. And we werent the only ones driven by those constraints. No way when he took the job would the conversation about the expectations (rightly or wrongly) of the club not been discussed. So i cant feel sorry for him for that.
So you can mention his reign as many times as you want for me but youll get a reply picking it apart..... because like you i was there witnessing it and being in the city ground on 85 mins and there being more away fans than home.... On far to many occasions than is acceptable aint nice.....
Was he the Anti christ? No, that would have been more entertaining.
Thomas
AMERICAN IDIOT
As much as I believe that you're right, you'll change no ones mind. I also do feel that freedman was just "ok". Someone to just steady the ship a bit. But, the amount of hate, apparently deservedly, is basically stuck in stone for a lot of people in this forum.
I do like what you said tho, nicely written.
incapable hulk
Best served cold
People forget that when Dougie came in, he himself said the team should be much further up the table and how it was one of the best squads in the division. It then finished in a lower position than when he took over. He made a rod for his own back with that.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Dougie had access to Olivera, Mendes, Lansbury, Vaughan, Osborn, Mills, Mancienne, Pinilos, Ward etc.
Some decent technical players in that list. The football was totally dour, didn't matter that we finished 16th or whatever it was instead of 8th. ST cost me upward of £400 and I wasn't going to spend that again in any circumstance if Dougie was still in position.
Some decent technical players in that list. The football was totally dour, didn't matter that we finished 16th or whatever it was instead of 8th. ST cost me upward of £400 and I wasn't going to spend that again in any circumstance if Dougie was still in position.
Barry
Where's me hammer?
What struck me with dougie, same with megson and even Pearce really is they played at or were at the club in their playing days so they know what the fans expect....
Getting the side playing football will buy you time if the results suffer.... not doing either and your signing your own death warrent.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Just to clarify, Billy was still best 
MASE
Up-Front
Agree, Montanier is living proof we'll all get behind a positive brand of football.
Dougie had a decent side, 33% win percentage, drab football & a somewhat aloof approach to the whole Forest way was his undoing. He certainly didnt make it easy to get behind him.
Probably the only management appointment I, or even the club, couldnt come up with a good reason for.
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Barry
Where's me hammer?
Can you repost your billy in a gilet bat signal pic again please palJust to clarify, Billy was still best
Trickie Trees
Stuart Pearce
McLeish?
MASE
Up-Front
McCleish had management experience at International & Premier League level. His appointment was justifiable on pedigree alone.
Barry
Where's me hammer?
And came through the recommedation of Fergie
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
Just suppose, barring a couple of obvious exceptions, that "injured" is a polite way of saying "gone on strike"
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Rzar
Bob McKinlay
Doubt that. If they wanted to strike properly they would do it together, surely.
Not one at a time
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Barry
Where's me hammer?
Genius