The World Famous City Ground - Home of the PROPER WORLD‘S OLDEST LEAGUE CLUB

[Morpeth]

Oh no, what have I started

In fairness It would make absolute sense but from a construction perspective it seems totally ridiculous, the new development proposals would also suggest its never going to happen.

Spurs built theirs around the existing one. Surely it's not beyond the realms of possibility to fill in a hole and play at Derby for a year. They would do us a good deal I'm sure

And I am deadly serious by the way, it would be amazing, and the possibility exists to buy the pitches over the road too as a training centre. First things first, survive. Three years down the line, these things might become less ridiculous.

 

[REDDERS78]

Of course it achievable, when you look at Spurs and Liverpool and the hoops they had to jump through, of course it. The very fact that the current plans dont lend themselves to it suggest its highley unlikely though.

Watched a great video about St James Park the other day and the issues they face in further expansion.

 

[HBB]

All sounds hugely positive but I haven't kept abreast of the goings on - can anyone point me in the direct of a glossy vid or artists impression etc of the new WFCG? And when are the timings for all this?

 

[Notcher]

All sounds hugely positive but I haven't kept abreast of the goings on - can anyone point me in the direct of a glossy vid or artists impression etc of the new WFCG? And when are the timings for all this?

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[HBB]

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Thanks - nice ....

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

Not sure what I'm proposing or how but I'd like to see BC's name transfer to the new stand and PT's transferred to the old BC. Just seems more fitting having BC's name adorning the main entrance.

 

[YellowBelly Red]

Its the end of the Grantham Canal, not used for years at that end.

 

[Redemption]

Its the end of the Grantham Canal, not used for years at that end.

yes, that's right.

The canal was culverted decades ago. The culvert goes from the end of Lady Bay Bridge to where Radcliffe Road meets the A6011.

The Trent is still the feeder for the canal, so would need to be culverted all the way to the river. I think there is some legal requirement to keep the canal wet for agricultural purposes.

 

[YellowBelly Red]

I would love to see some pontoons sunk into the Trent, and and the Trent End built outwards over the river. Could make lots of room for corporate hospitality. Put a landing stage in for a a water taxi service.

Maybe too forward a thinking for Rushcliffe Council.

 

[Morpeth]

Of course it achievable, when you look at Spurs and Liverpool and the hoops they had to jump through, of course it. The very fact that the current plans dont lend themselves to it suggest its highley unlikely though.

Watched a great video about St James Park the other day and the issues they face in further expansion.

These lot are screwed unfortunately. My office looks directly in to St James' and the whole leazes issue means it's a no go. If they want to have 80k capacity they will have to move, possibly to the arena site which is being demolished (and it's huge). Ultimately though, I couldn't give two hoots about them.

 

[Morpeth]

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If these are the latest plans then they look nice, but there's still going to be a lot of issues that can't be resolved. 38,000 seems a tad on the low side now and you only get these chances to redesign once in a generation.

 

[Quntib Hollox]

It wasn’t long ago I thought 38k was more than adequate for us but with promotion and the general buzz around the city there’s a chance to attract an additional fan base that have been sucked in. I personally know people previously non Forest fans who now would like to come to games.
This makes me think 38k isn’t enough. Maybe we’re constrained to this number at the CG but I’d be interested to hear what people think our capacity should be if there were no restrictions.

 

[Notcher]

It wasn’t long ago I thought 38k was more than adequate for us but with promotion and the general buzz around the city there’s a chance to attract an additional fan base that have been sucked in. I personally know people previously non Forest fans who now would like to come to games.
This makes me think 38k isn’t enough. Maybe we’re constrained to this number at the CG but I’d be interested to hear what people think our capacity should be if there were no restrictions.

42k is the sweet spot for me if there was also further expansion possibility if required

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[REDDERS78]

It wasn’t long ago I thought 38k was more than adequate for us but with promotion and the general buzz around the city there’s a chance to attract an additional fan base that have been sucked in. I personally know people previously non Forest fans who now would like to come to games.
This makes me think 38k isn’t enough. Maybe we’re constrained to this number at the CG but I’d be interested to hear what people think our capacity should be if there were no restrictions.

Just make it 80k and have done with it.

 

[Otis Redding]

It was mooted at one point, as part of the 2018 bid thinking.

It would have involved purchasing the Environment Agency site and filling in the waterway or at least converting it to a culvert.

It was superseded by Gamston, which was far less complicated.

Just like the fanciful Clifton Pastures and Holme Pierrepoint 'projects', the Gamston proposal was another of Mark Arthur's deluded attempts to try and manipulate Nottingham City Council into transferring the CG freehold to Nigel Doughty.

Had the successful WC 2018 host-city bid materialised, it would almost certainly have resulted in a shared stadium on Eastside.

The land would have been granted by its then owner, the City Council, with sales of the CG and Meadow Lane sites contributing towards the funding costs. Various outside grants were also involved.

 

[Quntib Hollox]

42k is the sweet spot for me if there was also further expansion possibility if required

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I think you’re about right and this season in particular that’s feasible.
Psychology it would be immense to have a City Ground rocking with 40k+ crowds.

 

[Harvey]

Given how long it's taken just for Ruschliffe BC to give the go-ahead for the redevelopment of one stand, I dread to think how long the kind of changes that would be required to rotate the stadium would take

 

[REDDERS78]

Given how long it's taken just for Ruschliffe BC to give the go-ahead for the redevelopment of one stand, I dread to think how long the kind of changes that would be required to rotate the stadium would take

Just done a quick calculation based on the current proposal:

729 years

 

[Statto]

Given how long it's taken just for Ruschliffe BC to give the go-ahead for the redevelopment of one stand, I dread to think how long the kind of changes that would be required to rotate the stadium would take

Not sure it would be that massive a deal to be fair.

Aside from the extra land take behind the PT stand and probably the need to fill in a few "gaps" and whatever planning dance you need to do....

The concept is actually pretty easy. Instead of having the goals by the TE and BE you'd have it in front of the BC stand.

Assuming that we don't have any silly gaps around the pitch (which we don't seem to) a football pitch is typically more square than a lot of people think anyway (105 x 68 m) so all you need is to make sure the gap between your new stand and the goals etc etc is 105m (the other will be anyway) plus whatever extra space is needed around the pitch.

As it'd need to be 68 anyway, you're only talking adding an extra 40-50 metres onto whatever plans you need.

What you'd of course end up with, is a more square area between the stands, meaning you could probably put the pitch whichever way round you wanted.

 

[Trents]

It wasn’t long ago I thought 38k was more than adequate for us but with promotion and the general buzz around the city there’s a chance to attract an additional fan base that have been sucked in. I personally know people previously non Forest fans who now would like to come to games.
This makes me think 38k isn’t enough. Maybe we’re constrained to this number at the CG but I’d be interested to hear what people think our capacity should be if there were no restrictions.

Right now, we could easily hit 40k. Once the novelty wears off and we establish ourselves I think 38K is about right.

If 38K after the PT stand rebuild then we would probably be touching 40K if/when they level off the Bridgford later on.

 

[Redemption]

First year or two in the EPL, we could sustain 40.

But, if we became a Crystal Palace/Soton type club, where you play to stay but have no expectations, we'd soon see attendances drop IMHO.

 

[Rzar]

First year or two in the EPL, we could sustain 40.

But, if we became a Crystal Palace/Soton type club, where you play to stay but have no expectations, we'd soon see attendances drop IMHO.

I don't agree, for as long as we are a Premier League side in this era we would maintain 40 IMO - we have potential to be a much bigger club than both of those, we just forgot that.

 

[Redemption]

After 1980 and until 1999 we barely touched 75% of capacity.

Once the novelty has worn off, enthusiasm for even being in the EPL will wear-off.

For almost all clubs in the EPL over the last 10 years outside of the big 6, is about 80%

It's a mistake, IMHO, to think Forest will some how be different to what we'vve been historically and how our peers' fans respond.

 

[Quntib Hollox]

After 1980 and until 1999 we barely touched 75% of capacity.

Once the novelty has worn off, enthusiasm for even being in the EPL will wear-off.

For almost all clubs in the EPL over the last 10 years outside of the big 6, is about 80%

It's a mistake, IMHO, to think Forest will some how be different to what we'vve been historically and how our peers' fans respond.

That era post 1980 nearly all clubs went through a period of dwindling crowds. Hooligan era, Hysel, Hillsborough etc. Not a fair comparison. It’s more of a family occasion nowadays.

 

[REDDERS78]

After 1980 and until 1999 we barely touched 75% of capacity.

Once the novelty has worn off, enthusiasm for even being in the EPL will wear-off.

For almost all clubs in the EPL over the last 10 years outside of the big 6, is about 80%

It's a mistake, IMHO, to think Forest will some how be different to what we'vve been historically and how our peers' fans respond.

I wouldnt bother conparing us, or any clubs attendances to 25 years ago. Football has changed. Its far more accessable and family friendly today than ever before.