Hillsborough could forest fans have done more?

[Barry]

Take this thread down its inflammatory and unnecessary always easy to look back and say what should of been done.
and this thread will only fan the flames of an already horrfic and long burning fire.
what ever i read about that day i take with a massive pinch of salt as we all now know the reports where lies and lies sell newspapers.
it was a massive tragedy and lessons learned have imporved stadium safety but it was a heafty price to pay.

Whats different though in this thread is you are reading eye witness accounts though pal. And those eye witness accounts differ from the ones youve mentioned because they are not from folk who need to sell a paper or save a career or get any compo or even want answers......they are from people who were just as confused as anybody on the day, saw what they saw and cant forget it.

I was there with my dad, 2 uncles and auntie all folk who i trust and respect, all respectable people with respectable careers. They as well as i will confirm everything that has been said in this thread. Yeah there maybe an anti scouse feel about the place but it still doesnt replace the fact that you cant forget what you see.

 

[Super Coops]

The same Liverpool fans that sang "We hate Nottingham Forest etc" at the Old Trafford replay, despite the united grief in the aftermath?

I'd been in the stadium about 10 minutes when they all broke into that chorus. The reaction in the Forest end was one of disbelief and disgust.

 

[bloodred]

Whats different though in this thread is you are reading eye witness accounts though pal. And those eye witness accounts differ from the ones youve mentioned because they are not from folk who need to sell a paper or save a career or get any compo or even want answers......they are from people who were just as confused as anybody on the day, saw what they saw and cant forget it.

I was there with my dad, 2 uncles and auntie all folk who i trust and respect, all respectable people with respectable careers. They as well as i will confirm everything that has been said in this thread. Yeah there maybe an anti scouse feel about the place but it still doesnt replace the fact that you cant forget what you see.

absolutely agree....i was there, i know what i saw. i have no agenda or particular malice against liverpool. i remember it was a lovely sunny day, a lot of beer had been drunk and quite a few scousers approached us before the match asking if we had any spare tickets....so obviously many had travelled ticketless (as no doubt some forest fans must have done) the spitting incident 'might' have happened ??? but if it did why has it not been documented before ? looks like a smokescreen/diversionary tactic to me. when we eventually do play liverpool again many will remember these remarks (on both sides) and trouble will flare. really silly and irresponsible journalism,

 

[Wes' Organ]

Take this thread down its inflammatory and unnecessary always easy to look back and say what should of been done.

and this thread will only fan the flames of an already horrfic and long burning fire.

what ever i read about that day i take with a massive pinch of salt as we all now know the reports where lies and lies sell newspapers.

it was a massive tragedy and lessons learned have imporved stadium safety but it was a heafty price to pay.

No.

 

[Bryn Gunn]

I'd been in the stadium about 10 minutes when they all broke into that chorus. The reaction in the Forest end was one of disbelief and disgust.

Like when we tried to pass the red and white tape around the ground to show our unification in respect, then the scousers wouldn't pass it back.
We threw that game as well, we had no choice under the circumstances.

No matter how you look at it, Nottingham Forest were there and the event affected our club and its supporters. Nowhere near the extent it did LFC but still, I think it's about time someone shown us some respect concerning the matter.
The tabloid/writer that wrote that article should hang their head in shame.

 

[Itsy-bitsy Bonatini Yellow Polkadot Bikini]

We threw that game as well, we had no choice under the circumstances.

Give it a rest. What absolute nonsense.

 

[Barbus]

We were never going to win it. The most pointless match I ever attended.

 

[Itsy-bitsy Bonatini Yellow Polkadot Bikini]

There's no doubt that Liverpool had an added motivation, but there's no way in the world we chucked the game.

 

[Bryn Gunn]

Give it a rest. What absolute nonsense.

We'll disagree then.

 

[Barry]

I would go as far to say we threw it but we certainly were never going to win it.

 

[Bryn Gunn]

I haven't revisited the footage, even if there is any, but at the time it appeared that way to some folk that were there.

The result is irrelevant anyway to my original point.

 

[Barry]

We just went to make up the numbers

 

[Flaggers]

If we'd won, we wouldn't have got out alive.

Aldridge remains unwelcome within the boundary of the county of Nottinghamshire, the c**t.

 

[rogerthecat]

Disagree with the above. I don't see a lot of bile or aggression in the thread. Just disappointment that someone thinks it right to make such an uncorroborated and inflammatory accusation at the inquiry and that a Liverpool rag saw fit to go with it as their headline.

Stoke well and truly pissed on their Stevie G party today. Not many tears in this house.

 

[Barry]

Always knew you were a stoke fan

 

[rogerthecat]

I'd been in the stadium about 10 minutes when they all broke into that chorus. The reaction in the Forest end was one of disbelief and disgust.

Wild? I was f***ing livid. Particularly when I'd donated twice to their victims fund on the way into Stretford Paddock.

Mind you'd you'd have to donate everything you'd earn in ten-thousand lifetimes to cover off all the victims in Liverpool.

 

[rogerthecat]

Always knew you were a stoke fan

I am today Bill. Mind you I'm fickle. I was a Palace fan last week.

 

[Barry]

At least you wont have to be a fan of any European teams next year.....

 

[Eddie Yates]

Not a chance that a team managed by Brian Clough & captained by Stuart Pearce would throw a training ground 5 a side game never mind an FA cup semi final, you only have to see Pearce's reaction to Webbs goal to see what it meant to him.
However I don't think the ref would have ever let us win.

Liverpool can f*** right off!

 

[Francis Benali (on loan)]

Brian Clough's autobiography:

Afterwards Kenny Dalglish said: "There was only one team who wanted to win out there,' or, 'We wanted to win more than they did,' or words to that effect. I thought his statement was scandalous. If he was suggesting that my team didn't have the stomach for it that day, he might well have been right. But he should not have said it, he ought to have kept his mouth shut. In truth, although it was difficult for us because the vast majority of the public support went Liverpool's way, we wanted to get to Wembley just as much as they did.

 

[Harry1982]

Take this thread down its inflammatory and unnecessary always easy to look back and say what should of been done.
and this thread will only fan the flames of an already horrfic and long burning fire.
what ever i read about that day i take with a massive pinch of salt as we all now know the reports where lies and lies sell newspapers.
it was a massive tragedy and lessons learned have imporved stadium safety but it was a heafty price to pay.

Reading articles like this and younger fans that don't realise the ways in which stadiums have changed are gonna come to this conclusion as the enquiry is happening now and I would rather hear first hand evidence from people that were there. After reflecting on what was written and the article including the statement made by policeman about spitting makes absolutely no difference to the events of that day. The spitting if it happened was not contributing factor in any way, seems irresponsible

 

[siforest65]

Not a chance that a team managed by Brian Clough & captained by Stuart Pearce would throw a training ground 5 a side game never mind an FA cup semi final, you only have to see Pearce's reaction to Webbs goal to see what it meant to him.
However I don't think the ref would have ever let us win.

Liverpool can f*** right off!

Absolutely.

That game is the one and only game I regret going to and I've seen some shockers.

 

[El_Macca]

The police and Liverpool fans surely have to accept joint responsibilty for what happened? I wasn't there but have read through numerous press articles (not from w*nkrags) and fan accounts.
The police are to blame for opening up the gates that lead to the Liverpool fans charging into the stadium as a free-for-all, but the Liverpool fans who charged in surely have to take some of the responsibilty?
I don't mean it to sound as harsh on Liverpool fans as the above does, I mean if the police open the gates, no matter what club the fans would have just went for it.

P.S In addition to the above, pretty much everyone i've ever spoken to reckon there was no way whatsoever that we'd be going through, not for being outplayed on the pitch either.

 

[bullittboy]

The police and Liverpool fans surely have to accept joint responsibilty for what happened? I wasn't there but have read through numerous press articles (not from w*nkrags) and fan accounts.
The police are to blame for opening up the gates that lead to the Liverpool fans charging into the stadium as a free-for-all, but the Liverpool fans who charged in surely have to take some of the responsibilty?
I don't mean it to sound as harsh on Liverpool fans as the above does, I mean if the police open the gates, no matter what club the fans would have just went for it.

P.S In addition to the above, pretty much everyone i've ever spoken to reckon there was no way whatsoever that we'd be going through, not for being outplayed on the pitch either.

Except that the duty of care falls on the police not the Liverpool fans. In other words if the police were going to open the gates to alleviate the problems outside it was their responsibilty to ensure the safety of other fans inside the ground was protected.

They failed that dismally.

 

[Flaggers]

Ah but there you have it, bullitboy - "...problems outside "

That'll be fans arriving late with or without tickets, plus or minus drink.

Without the fans outside being a problem, there'd have been no need for a gate to be opened and the rest isn't history.

The actions of the fans at that end if the ground CANNOT be removed from the causal chain of events that led to 96 deaths, but the fans at that end of the ground would like them to be.