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Hillsborough could forest fans have done more?

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RRRREDUN

Jack Burkitt
I stood and watched it happening from high up on the Kop. To start with, there were some anti-Scouse sentiments as they started to pour onto the pitch. As soon as it was obvious that people were dying (and we could see they were), the Forest fans fell silent. I really doubt if there was spitting from our lot. Unfeasible that it's just got out.
A few seasons earlier, I suppose that the Forest fans at the 2nd leg of the European Cup threw full bags of urine over themselves. I was there too. And I guess that at Hillsborough there weren't thousands of Murderers without tickets. I pity the dead and their families but absolutely hate Scousers. Liverpool I hate much more than I could ever hate Derby. Just saying.

We could go on. Best though to keep our dignity and keep it to ourselves. The Scousers know the truth. Their lying has got out of hand. Too 'clever' for their own good.
 
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Thomas

AMERICAN IDIOT
Okay no. Wtf. No one would spit on a dead body especially in the way they died at Hillsborough. So saying that forest fans did that is just so f***ing stupid. And what I've heard through documentaries and what not about this awful event, forest fans couldn't help. If those fans were able to, there's no damn doubt everyone would try to help. At least, I'm hoping they would.
 
Thomas

Thomas

AMERICAN IDIOT
Why was THAT many people allowed in there anyway? I never understood that.
 
Thomas

Thomas

AMERICAN IDIOT
Harry1982 said:
People turned up without tickets and late created a crush at the gates, gates opened to stop that and resulted in to many getting in
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Was there no infrastructure in security back then in sports events in that magnitude?
 
Senior Flange Technician

Senior Flange Technician

Andy!
dogtits said:
Was there no infrastructure in security back then in sports events in that magnitude?
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There was the year before, a checkpoint ringed around the stadium. 1000's turned up at the same time pushing and shoving to get in, they couldn't wait and they all wanted to be behind the goal. It's a culmination of factors but one factor is continually overlooked.
 
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RRRREDUN

Jack Burkitt
I seem to remember the season before, they checked tickets at the ends of Leppings Lane, not just at the turnstiles. Then they failed to do this in 1989. To some of Liverpool's 'fans', this was like leaving your wallet showing in your back pocket. Cheeky, chirpy chappies that they were.
 
rogerthecat

rogerthecat

Jack Burkitt
Their attitude, dogtits, is basically that, "Everyone, other fans and the Authorities, knew what they were like. They knew they'd be trouble and didn't stop them. Soooooooooooo it's their fault."

Now where's da compo lah?
 
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stockers

Jack Armstrong
It's only one statement from the enquiry but so irresponsible to use as a headline, says everything you need to know about this never ending campaign to shirk blame. When you've got 50000 people in one place you'll always get a couple of wronguns and with liverpools previous you'd expect an initial reaction from forest fans but once we knew what was going on the behaviour flawless. We'll never know if this tragedy would have happened without 100's of ticketless scoucers turning up but I'd suggest the odds would be much lower. We'll also never know if this was any other club would this still be rumbling on 30 years later, again I think the odds would be much lower.
 
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stockers

Jack Armstrong
Apart from scousers convienently swerving the major trigger in this whole tragedy it makes me sick that the judiciary and governments lack of balls has allowed this to drag on and snowball. For starters it can't be healthy for the poor victims families to have been going through this for 30 years. And I hate to think how much tax payers money has been rinsed on this.. We all know the truth, stop the blame and get some bloody dignity.
 
Bryn Gunn

Bryn Gunn

Cash is King!
stockers said:
When you've got 50000 people in one place you'll always get a couple of wronguns and with liverpools previous you'd expect an initial reaction from forest fans but once we knew what was going on the behaviour flawless.
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Exactly.
The year before around a 100 of them managed to get in the kop, in the corner, and we're up to their usual tricks. Until the likeminded Forest lot went into them which ended up with a protective cordon of police around them.
The following year a lot of us gathered over that side in case of a repeat occurrence and things were heated to begin with. But at no point did anyone see spitting and as you said, nothing but respect was shown once we knew what was happening. Despite the attempted charge on the pitch at our end from the Liverpool idiots.
 
Bryn Gunn

Bryn Gunn

Cash is King!
Bridgford_71 said:
Exactly.
The year before around a 100 of them managed to get in the kop, in the corner, and we're up to their usual tricks. Until the likeminded Forest lot went into them which ended up with a protective cordon of police around them.
The following year a lot of us gathered over that side in case of a repeat occurrence and things were heated to begin with. But at no point did anyone see spitting and as you said, nothing but respect was shown once we knew what was happening. Despite the attempted charge on the pitch at our end from the Liverpool idiots.
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Some of that may sound bad to younger posters but in the 80's it wasn't uncommon to have to 'defend your end' at big games, and that is all Forest were intent on doing.
 
Otis Redding

Otis Redding

Try A Little Tenderness
rogerthecat said:
What were we? World gobbing champions?

How can you spit at and hit someone on the pitch from behind a fence from Spion Kop or the side terrace?

I smell bullshit.
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In a nutshell!

I was able to observe events from the Kop-side of Hillsborough's Main Stand that afternoon, and all I can say is that it would've been a physical impossibility, as you rightly imply Roger.
 
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puds1970

puds1970

Steve Chettle
Only now in the over scrutinised world we live in can we have such a debate.
Oh and what a f***ing insult by the way. I may not be a Liverpool fan and not had been in the Leppings lane end but I did and still do (whenever reminded) get upset by the events of that day. We lost 96 human beings that day that happened to be Liverpool fans.
 
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the mask of zorro

Geoff Thomas
888balluk

888balluk

John Robertson
What always sticks in my memory after watching countless documentary after documentary is a piece of footage recorded on the pitch.

A couple of scousers felt the need to come up to the camera and show they had tickets for the game. That very small piece of footage actually tells an awful lot. It shows they knew what they were known for and felt the need straight away to show the world they all had tickets. Very clever you must admit, to have that foresight.
 
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What always sticks in my memory after watching countless documentary after documentary is a piece of footage recorded on the pitch.

A couple of scousers felt the need to come up to the camera and show they had tickets for the game. That very small piece of footage actually tells an awful lot. It shows they knew what they were known for and felt the need straight away to show the world they all had tickets. Very clever you must admit, to have that foresight.[/QUOTE

I've seen various clips on you tube, Liverpool fans asking to see other fans tickets on the pitch with some pretty sheepish replies. That's what makes this headline even more disgusting, everyone knows what's happened here.
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Viv Anderson
Yeah...I was there and this paramedic should be spat at.....absolute load of bollox and makes me angry. I have spent 25 years giving statements (last one in December) etc and trying to help the cause for justice and then someone says this sort of thing. Enough to make you spit ye dummy out !!
 
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alabamared said:
I remember that clear as if it were yesterday. He sort of slid to his knees in the goal mouth and had a scarf tied to each wrist.
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Correct. Ran across the pitch (past his own dying probably), scarf round hands, over to Forest fans with the pure aim of inciting. Got rugby tackled in the end by a copper (oh, but no, behaviour of some Liverpool fans did not make the police's job harder - yeah right).

So, as said earlier, and certainly happening around us two thirds up the stand, the belief that this was a pitch invasion was almost confirmed by this idiot. Then the hoardings come down (as we know now to be used for stretchers), but to us, that's Liverpool fans wrecking the ground. It almost seems incredible to say it now but, when the bodies came down our end, our honest belief was that the scousers had been fighting amongst themselves and these people were just unconscious.

Crazy looking back but in a world of no mobile phones and a massive assumption that everyone knew what was going on (which we didn't, hence Dalglish getting bood when he came on the loud speaker), this is how it was. When did we find out people had been killed? Picking a newspaper up off the platform floor at Sheffield station (70 dead by then)
 
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YellowBelly Red

Viv Anderson
The same Liverpool fans that sang "We hate Nottingham Forest etc" at the Old Trafford replay, despite the united grief in the aftermath? The same Liverpool fans that turned up to the Final against Everton with out tickets and were filmed trying to barge the turnstiles and being helped up into the ground through open windows by their friends?
They were incensed by not getting the bigger end, seeing it as their right to have the most tickets. There was a concerted campaign for the ticketless fans to turn up late and rush the gates. As is usual, the innocent and genuine fans paid the ultimate price.
The shopkeepers of Brussels still talk of the time that Liverpool came to town, and of their steaming into designer clothes shops and running out with armfuls of expensive gear.
Totally different times I know, and having a scouse partner, it pains me to write this. 96 innocent people died and that is unacceptable but the hogwash coming out of Merseyside is unbelievable. But then, we all know how this is playing out.....we want the truth, we want justice, we want compensation!
 
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Ovesinsilvavestis

First Team Squad
Take this thread down its inflammatory and unnecessary always easy to look back and say what should of been done.
and this thread will only fan the flames of an already horrfic and long burning fire.
what ever i read about that day i take with a massive pinch of salt as we all now know the reports where lies and lies sell newspapers.
it was a massive tragedy and lessons learned have imporved stadium safety but it was a heafty price to pay.
 
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