I was at the Valley that night when Charlton and Taylor slaughtered us for the first 30 minutes because they played football and got the ball into the box hard and low and he was on fire, the way we have been playing will only suit a 6,6 striker who will lay the ball of for another player running through from midfield but we all know that does not happen
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Lyle James Alfred Taylor
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Barry
Where's me hammer?
Taylor hammered us in both games the season before he came, our defenders didnt know what to do with him.... can totally see why we got him in.
Haych
John Robertson
If we played a decent ball into the box every now and again he would score goals. We could bring in Haaland tomorrow and he would be shit with out service.
Hughton is to blame not the players.
Hughton is to blame not the players.
BryanRoy22
Ian Bowyer
In my opinion, it's definitely the style of play that's affecting him and Grabban.
Grabban still shows glimpses of what he can do whenever he gets the chance, but Taylor doesn't look good dropping deep. It doesn't suit him at all. He needs to be making runs into the box attacking crosses.
Under Karanka, Grabban looked a top striker and scored 15 league goals up to 11 January. When Martin O'Neill arrived on January 11, Grabban only managed 2 league goals. Most goals under O'Neill came from Lolley, or set pieces. Wague, Benaloune, Milosevic, etc.
Lamouchi came in and Grabban looked a top striker again. 20 league goals. Since Hughton arrived, Grabban's return has gone down again, managing only 6 league goals last season and I think a few of them were penalties....
Under Hughton, it's been again wide men trying to score the goals by cutting inside, a few own goals, lots of set piece scrambling in. Garner did chip in with a few at the end of the season but that's about it.
cheapseats
Grenville Morris
For sure thing ain’t right with Taylor but I have to take issue with your view on Grabban. He might not be ideally suited to the lone 9 role but it’s what he played under nearly all the managers you mention. The issue is he’s 34 in a few months and he’s not Ronaldo. He has to be used sparingly or he will break down and he’s never going to be as productive in the winter of his career as he was earlier. It’s just Father Time.
Danga
Formerly JLingz
I think we (as fans) have miscast Taylor as some sort of center forward target man in the mold of Darius Henderson or Daryl Murphy. Like you say, I think he would be far more effective if we got the ball in to the box from wide areas, instead of pinging balls up from the center halves and asking him to hold it up for 10 minutes while a few players get close.
This isn't me excusing Taylor either, he worked hard yesterday but his overall contribution was pretty poor and this is someone who has regularly defended him.
BryanRoy
Stuart Pearce
100% agree with this.
He has worked so hard to get where he is.
He isn't a target-man and I've been guilty of having this perception at times. He can whip out a bit of everything now and again but there isn't one strong consistent strength bar hard work. His hard work and running is probably in detriment to his quality/output in some ways I feel. Needs to be more decisive where it matters. Like that simple chip finish he should have scored from yesterday.
Grabban is just technically superior and the better footballer. He is just nearly 34 now and can't press aggressively.
If we could combine the 2 players it would be much better.
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BryanRoy22
Ian Bowyer
Taylor's strength is on the counter attack running into the box as we saw against Coventry.
That's exactly the type of service he needs from out wide.
Then I have no doubt he will score goals. Head. Left foot. Right foot.
That's exactly the type of service he needs from out wide.
Then I have no doubt he will score goals. Head. Left foot. Right foot.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
Since when did either of our strikers get in the box on the end of crosses enough though?
Too often we see them dropping back for the ball into deep or out wide. They need to be in the mix. Taylor is a good finisher and there probably aren't many better than Grabban from 7-8 yards out (not 12 though) yet they're rarely there.
I actually wouldn't mind not seeing them in the link up if they were holding the line.
Too often we see them dropping back for the ball into deep or out wide. They need to be in the mix. Taylor is a good finisher and there probably aren't many better than Grabban from 7-8 yards out (not 12 though) yet they're rarely there.
I actually wouldn't mind not seeing them in the link up if they were holding the line.
Cortez the Killer
Impressive member
He goes down easier than Wayne Rooney in a retirement home.
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Bryn Gunn
Cash is King!
Matt
Stuart Pearce
Allegedly Bristol City in for him. My mate who frequents their forums says some ITK has claimed we are raising funds for Maja
Danga
Formerly JLingz
It would make sense, and he is a Pearson sort of player.
valspoodle
Steve Chettle
Sounds like win-win for both clubs.
PynchonForest
John Robertson
I see absolutely nothing about Taylor that is positive except that he works hard. I've finally started watching again this year and he's been very poor both matches that were on DAZN.I certainly hope Xanda Silva ;lives up to his early potential.
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
I generally don't enjoy bashing Forest players too much and especially when they are all we have got.
But he is really poor. I hope Cooper can make him show something that he has not shown before here.
Starting by dropping the Sunday league mentality. The constant fighting of the defender and neglecting the ball - it is infuriating to watch, especially when he seems to only pick fights with defenders that are twice his size.
I mentioned before he doesn't seem an intelligent footballer (although I do not claim to be smarter). But he does not show any killer instinct and seems to put all his efforts into things he is not going to win, such as battling against 6'6 defenders & chasing players down when he is clearly just wasting energy.
But he is really poor. I hope Cooper can make him show something that he has not shown before here.
Starting by dropping the Sunday league mentality. The constant fighting of the defender and neglecting the ball - it is infuriating to watch, especially when he seems to only pick fights with defenders that are twice his size.
I mentioned before he doesn't seem an intelligent footballer (although I do not claim to be smarter). But he does not show any killer instinct and seems to put all his efforts into things he is not going to win, such as battling against 6'6 defenders & chasing players down when he is clearly just wasting energy.
derbyshirered
Jack Burkitt
Probably best summarised as another waste of money.
Dirk Furtull
John Robertson
He's not great but does get a lot of physical attention from defenders which isn't often recognised by referees.
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Rzar
Bob McKinlay
So adapt your game when you get nothing from the ref.
Blackstock used to get similar treatment from refs, but he would at the least hold the ball up when it is played into his feet.
I don't get much joy from watching Taylor play.
Mr. Blonde
Jack Burkitt
That's the thing with Taylor, he isn't really good at anything is he?
He can't score. He doesn't get in decent positions. He constantly loses out in the air. He doesn't provide assists. He's always being muscled out of tackles and falling over. And his general demeanour is that of someone who really doesn't want to be here.
I literally can't see any redeeming features.
He can't score. He doesn't get in decent positions. He constantly loses out in the air. He doesn't provide assists. He's always being muscled out of tackles and falling over. And his general demeanour is that of someone who really doesn't want to be here.
I literally can't see any redeeming features.
Ravi
Upper Decker
That's a good point. I'd prefer to see Swan get a few games instead.
DizzyBala
Jack Armstrong
I actually think that everything that you've said there, is because he doesn't want to be here.
He's 32 in March, probably being paid the most he ever has in his career.
He's not going to get a better deal elsewhere unlike when he was at Charlton.
No Prem or even top Championship team is going to come in for him are they? The talked about places he was linked with were Birmingham and Bristol City.
So, there's very little incentive for him to really work hard for the team. The fans aren't arsed about him and he's not arsed about the club.
I do appreciate the irony though that the things being said about Taylor (lazy, bad attitude etc..) are often said about Grabban, except Grabban actually has a history of delivering and even though he's two years Taylor's senior, still works harder.
Swan's probably not the answer, but Brennan up front is an interesting proposition. We'd certainly not be lumping balls up to him so there would be no chance of that sort of style.