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Financial Fair Play (FFP)

Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
Gareth Edds said:
the wages they declare to the PL are.

But arent some of their charge regarding 2nd wages and 2nd bank accounts?
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Allegedly so.

The next time I fly on Etihad Airways, I half expect Jack Grealish and Phil Foden to be serving the drinks from the trolley.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
And in the meantime, Kyle Walker will be slipping some random passenger a length in the toilets.
 
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bearwood red

A. Trialist
DB1702 said:
My mindset is we will not get any points back but if we do get a 1 point or 2 back then it will be a massive boost but I think it is best to expect 0 points back.
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I don’t expect we’ll get any points back. The only way we get points back is if the appeal panel conclude that the original Commission did any of the following:

1. Took into account aggravating factors that it should not have done.
2. Failed to take into account mitigating factors that it should have done
3. Applied a methodology for assessing the quantum of points deduction that is flawed or inconsistent with precedents.

1 is not relevant because there weren’t any aggravating factors advanced by the PL. And I don’t see there being any mileage in 3 (if anything, we should probably have had 1 more point) On 2, our best hope is to argue that until the PL disallowed promotion bonuses and our calculation of Covid losses in June 2023, we were working under the assumption that we would comply or be slightly over. However the timing of the PL’s decision not to allow these losses only gave us two weeks to do anything about it. We made a genuine attempt to do that, but did not have an unconditional offer on the table by 30 June. We then did sell Johnson in the same window. We also made further player sales in both the summer and winter windows, demonstrating intent to comply.

Our starting point was 3, with a further 3 for the size of the breach, less 2 off for early admission and cooperation. If the above mitigation was accepted, they could reduce the additional 3 points for size of breach to 2, 1 or even no points. However, I think it is be very unlikely they will disagree with the original commission on this point.

So, expecting no points back, but if we do get any, I imagine it will be due to the timing of the PL disallowing our losses.
 
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Est.1865

WFCG
They might as well throw both of ours and Everton’s deductions out of the window now, give us the points back. Everton are safe anyway. The proposed change in rules is going to give the PL a massive issue if these points deductions remain…and contribute to a team going down, ie, us.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Strummer said:
Allegedly so.

The next time I fly on Etihad Airways, I half expect Jack Grealish and Phil Foden to be serving the drinks from the trolley.
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Just don't take it if Foden serves you a cup of brown liquid
 
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bearwood red

A. Trialist
bearwood red said:
I don’t expect we’ll get any points back. The only way we get points back is if the appeal panel conclude that the original Commission did any of the following:

1. Took into account aggravating factors that it should not have done.
2. Failed to take into account mitigating factors that it should have done
3. Applied a methodology for assessing the quantum of points deduction that is flawed or inconsistent with precedents.

1 is not relevant because there weren’t any aggravating factors advanced by the PL. And I don’t see there being any mileage in 3 (if anything, we should probably have had 1 more point) On 2, our best hope is to argue that until the PL disallowed promotion bonuses and our calculation of Covid losses in June 2023, we were working under the assumption that we would comply or be slightly over. However the timing of the PL’s decision not to allow these losses only gave us two weeks to do anything about it. We made a genuine attempt to do that, but did not have an unconditional offer on the table by 30 June. We then did sell Johnson in the same window. We also made further player sales in both the summer and winter windows, demonstrating intent to comply.

Our starting point was 3, with a further 3 for the size of the breach, less 2 off for early admission and cooperation. If the above mitigation was accepted, they could reduce the additional 3 points for size of breach to 2, 1 or even no points. However, I think it is be very unlikely they will disagree with the original commission on this point.

So, expecting no points back, but if we do get any, I imagine it will be due to the timing of the PL disallowing our losses.
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Correction, the PL informed Forest on 2 June 2023 that they were disallowing the Covid losses and promotion bonuses. But the PL had known our position on Covid losses since 4 July 2022, and on promotion bonuses since 31 March 2023. But neither were challenged until 2 June 2023.
 
REDDERS78

REDDERS78

Jack Armstrong
Est.1865 said:
They might as well throw both of ours and Everton’s deductions out of the window now, give us the points back. Everton are safe anyway. The proposed change in rules is going to give the PL a massive issue if these points deductions remain…and contribute to a team going down, ie, us.
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Were not safe though, that'll probably make the decision for them.
 
Flaggers

Flaggers

May not be the best moderator on LTLF, but he's...
LTLF Minion
Strummer said:
Allegedly so.

The next time I fly on Etihad Airways, I half expect Jack Grealish and Phil Foden to be being paid for serving the drinks from the trolley, even though they aren't on the plane.
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FTFY
 
thehockleyhustler

thehockleyhustler

Stuart Pearce
OK, now I'm confused. This is good news for us, right? Make it more of a level playing field?

Or is this in addition to the rules they spoke about a few weeks ago where spending limits are linked to clubs individual income?

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Bob Fossil

Bob Fossil

Nottingham's dirty secret
'Apparently' Talksport mentioned earlier today that they had heard whispers that we'll be getting 2 points back. Probably bollocks but can you imagine the head loss from Luton et al 🤣
 
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GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
Bob Fossil said:
'Apparently' Talksport mentioned earlier today that they had heard whispers that we'll be getting 2 points back. Probably bollocks but can you imagine the head loss from Luton etc al 🤣
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Expect 2 extra points if it is a talk sport whisper. Was it Jamie Bantz O’hawa
 
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Joe Baker's Dog

Grenville Morris
bearwood red said:
Correction, the PL informed Forest on 2 June 2023 that they were disallowing the Covid losses and promotion bonuses. But the PL had known our position on Covid losses since 4 July 2022, and on promotion bonuses since 31 March 2023. But neither were challenged until 2 June 2023.
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If we are going to get points back it will be on

"Failed to take into account mitigating factors that it should have done."

NFFC have already said that the Commission failed to take into account mitigating factors. (backed up by the excellent forensic Accountant who gave his very logical analysis/demolition of their decision in a recent FG podcast - which if you haven't seen it is worth watching.)
The point you make about Covid losses & promotion bonuses is an absolute disgrace & totally contrary to natural justice..........the PL knew about these for - as you say - for over a year. To disallow them at the last minute is to say the least not fair. NFFC couldn't do anything about it at such a late date.
One of the other comments made by the Commission was NFFC not accepting the offer from Athletic Madrid for Brennan Johnson........what they didn't take into account was the offer was conditional on them selling a player.........& as anybody with more than one brain cell would know getting rid of a player to sign another isn't always easy.............take Harry Ar.ter......
 
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Cloughie1975

John Robertson
Joe Baker's Dog said:
If we are going to get points back it will be on

"Failed to take into account mitigating factors that it should have done."

NFFC have already said that the Commission failed to take into account mitigating factors. (backed up by the excellent forensic Accountant who gave his very logical analysis/demolition of their decision in a recent FG podcast - which if you haven't seen it is worth watching.)
The point you make about Covid losses & promotion bonuses is an absolute disgrace & totally contrary to natural justice..........the PL knew about these for - as you say - for over a year. To disallow them at the last minute is to say the least not fair. NFFC couldn't do anything about it at such a late date.
One of the other comments made by the Commission was NFFC not accepting the offer from Athletic Madrid for Brennan Johnson........what they didn't take into account was the offer was conditional on them selling a player.........& as anybody with more than one brain cell would know getting rid of a player to sign another isn't always easy.............take Harry Ar.ter......
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Do you think we’ll get any points back,Joe?
 
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Joe Baker's Dog

Grenville Morris
Cloughie1975 said:
Do you think we’ll get any points back,Joe?
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Given what I've read & given the demolition job by Robert Matusiewicz on the Commissions document stating why we should get points deducted I'd be amazed if we don't get 1 or 2 points back. They completely ignored all of the mitigating factors of which there were many. NFFC kept them informed all the way through unlike the devious bastards at Man City & the cunning buggers at Chelsea - we cooperated. Chelsea have just sold 2 hotels they owned to a "sister company"...........this isn't much different in my humble opinion from what Mel Morris did at the home of the sheep selling Prideless Park to himself.......which he already owned. . .....
 
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Cloughie1975

John Robertson
Joe Baker's Dog said:
Given what I've read & given the demolition job by Robert Matusiewicz on the Commissions document stating why we should get points deducted I'd be amazed if we don't get 1 or 2 points back. They completely ignored all of the mitigating factors of which there were many. NFFC kept them informed all the way through unlike the devious bastards at Man City & the cunning buggers at Chelsea - we cooperated. Chelsea have just sold 2 hotels they owned to a "sister company"...........this isn't much different in my humble opinion from what Mel Morris did at the home of the sheep selling Prideless Park to himself.......which he already owned. . .....
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I reckon even 1 point back would potentially be huge and 2 would put us on the cusp
of safety.
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