congo_red_49
Ale Ape
Erm, the Council have absolutely nothing to do with it? Football stadia licenses are regulated by the FLA.
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Why are Crystal Palace fans allowed to stand up all game?
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Erm, the Council have absolutely nothing to do with it? Football stadia licenses are regulated by the FLA.
Doesn't the local Council issue the Fire Safety Certificate Congo?
Or is that the FLA as well?
congo_red_49
Ale Ape
The fire safety certificate isn't concerned with people standing though...
An I see. I thought I'd read somewhere that because of Fire Safety rules it limited the number of people in a certain area (given that terraces inevitably would contain more people than a seated stand, which would affect evacuation, as isn't there a certain time-limit in which a stadium or stand has to be evacuated in case of a fire?)
congo_red_49
Ale Ape
You are correct, but the same number of people would be in a seated area regardless of whether they stand up, or sit down.
The FLA insist on people being seated in seated areas, because of the potential for injury if people were to fall forwards on to the seats.
That's fair enough, I guess.
Trentsider
First Team Squad
That would be right. There are laid down evacuation times for sports grounds. However people who have paid for a seat don't affect this as you have the same number of people whether they stand or sit at the moment. To be honest I want to see standing areas back but I don't support people standing in seated areas throughout the game. It's understandable at times, but as I've paid for a seat I like to use it. Also when people stand my son struggles to see as I'm sure is true for a lot of people. It needs sorting so that those who want to stand can do so safely and those who want to sit can. Shouldn't be too much to ask should it?
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TheDude
Guest
Everyone likes to stand up at half time and those pesky stewards are fine with it.
I sit down in an attempt to annoy them.
I sit down in an attempt to annoy them.
Bloke form Dublin
Banned
Nick the Greek "power mad supervisor" threatened ( I had just come through the turnstiles) to throw me out because of something that had happened outside, this whilst queuing for the playoff semi.
I will see him outside the ground one day, and I will make him seriously regret that day.
Roonaldo
Geoff Thomas
Licenses might be 'regulated' by the FLA, but Rushcliffe Borough Council decide if a safety cert should actually be issued for any entertainment event. That's the wank justification I was once given by the club a number of years ago when I had to go grovelling to get my season ticket back having been chucked out for swearing at a steward (something I was unable to contest, despite witnesses around me to back up my story, due to the CCTV mysteriously having gone missing).
Don't you recall when Trafford Council threatened to force MUFC to close the ground if the fans carried on standing? There was a 'cull' in the Stretford End on the scale that we get every week in the A Block by newly drafted MUFC 'stewards' (the type who have clearly never had a girlfriend, play computer games a lot, were bullied at school and have pictures of Alan Partridge all over their wall).
However, since then United have relaxed the rules, as have every other club I've been to in recent years. Forest, on the other hand, continue to victimise its most passioante supporters for the crime of wanting to get behind the team.
Never have I felt so alienated by the club and have just about had enough. Watching the A-Block die around me is heart breaking.
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Senior Flange Technician
Andy!
I don't understand why you have to stand to "get behind your team".
I think a safe standing area(s) would be great, those who want to can do so, why the other's can have their Bovril in the comfort of a seat.
I think a safe standing area(s) would be great, those who want to can do so, why the other's can have their Bovril in the comfort of a seat.
congo_red_49
Ale Ape
It's a puzzle isn't it? I remember their being a great atmosphere, all around the ground the day we beat Derby (Tyson - 'flag-gate' game), yet as soon as the atmosphere dies, it's because we can't stand up...
Redwalton
First Team Squad
Liverp**ls fine would be MASSIVE. The ****s have been doing it for 20 years.
Roonaldo
Geoff Thomas
You're getting into sociology now. Standing is part of the culture of chanting and has been for 150 years. It's the same at any event. If everyone was made to sit down at, say, a sex pistols gig in 1976, do you reckon the atmosphere would have been great? All seater stadia has killed the atmosphere at football grounds. Not being able to move around freely with your mates has f**ked it all up. If you don't get it, get yourself over to the Westfalenstadion in Dortmund and all will become clear.
In conclusion, being confined to a seat suppresses expressionism.
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congo_red_49
Ale Ape
Why would I need to go that far, when I can walk down the road to London Road?
Tutts
Ian Bowyer
Rubbish arguement, I went to an all seater A-ha concert and the atmosphere was great and......
Opps, shared too much.
Roonaldo
Geoff Thomas
congo_red_49
Ale Ape
Haven't you just proved my point though? The one team playing at this level with a ground that operational terraces, you consider 'a morgue'. So surely the presence of a terrace, or terraces, does not aid the atmosphere?
Derby is the only exception for very obvious reasons, and even then it's mainly because most of A and B are on there feet. It's the Tuesday night games against S****horpe which matter more though. A block and VCC provide 90% of the vocal support in most games. Singing "Come on you Reds" every other time we get a corner doesn't really count as generating an atmosphere. They are no less a supporter because of this though...
In my personal opinion I honestly can't understand how you can think the same or a decent level of atmosphere can be generated by everyone sitting down, it just doesn't happen in my eyes but I could be wrong. What examples in English football stadia are there? I also personaly prefer standing up. Anyway i'm sure I sound like a broken record as I jump into this conversation every time but there we go.
Our home support is awful but the terraces still mean we make plenty of noise when it fills up. When it changes to an all seater I really fear that any sort of atmosphere we use to have will be gone completely. The play off semi final for example.
Desybozared
First Team Squad
So why don't we all stand up on boxing day they can't throw us all out" can they"?
ianb78
Banned
I genuininely think that the atmosphere in football stadia has deteriorated since all seater stadia was introduced
Ok there are games when it is still not bad (ie Derby games) but it still pales into comparison with days gone by.
I remember the old Trent End would generate so much more than small pockets in A-block and Bridgford. There was much more of a variety of songs too - many have disappeared
Such a shame that those days are gone
Anyone who denies this is either too young or simply deluded
Ok there are games when it is still not bad (ie Derby games) but it still pales into comparison with days gone by.
I remember the old Trent End would generate so much more than small pockets in A-block and Bridgford. There was much more of a variety of songs too - many have disappeared
Such a shame that those days are gone
Anyone who denies this is either too young or simply deluded
Roonaldo
Geoff Thomas
Ridiculous arguement. It's been plain for all to see who attend football matches that all seater stadia have killed the atmosphere at most football grounds.
The reason there is no atmosphere on the terraces at Peterboro is because it's peterboro. A town so dull and devoid of culture that I reckon Hitler wouldn't even have bothered annexing it if he'd have won.
Anyway, Merry Xmas to everyone from Peterboro. I feel for you, I really do.
Forestjones
Geoff Thomas
Standing at matches is fine as long as you know that you are going to be standing before you buy your ticket, and so can move around and get a good view of the match that you've paid to watch. We're ok at home games because I'm in the front row. But at away matches, despite getting away membership this season, and asking for seats near the front, myself and my daughter have been in the back or second to back row at Brighton, Southampton and Blackpool. If thoughts could kill, the away support would have dropped quite considerably during the past couple of seasons. But having said that, the away end at Southampton is well designed so the view is good from the back when people stand up (as long as you stand up yourself of course), and the Brighton stewards didn't stop us standing on the seats in the back row. But next season, no thanks, not going to bother with away membership or travelling away except to grounds with unreserved seating (Bristol City) or ones with standing areas (Peterborough). Sick of paying £25-£30 and not being able to see much of the match. Of course the real mugs are the ones who pay for a seat, don't use it and piss off others with their selfishness. Can't believe people can be such c**ts towards their fellow supporters.
Bloke form Dublin
Banned
The primary problem is the chief orchestrator Alan Bexon