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The World Famous City Ground - Home of the PROPER WORLD‘S OLDEST LEAGUE CLUB

Future of the WFCG? What‘s your preference?


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Rockabilly

GAFF LAD. "Open your knees and feel the breeze"
Anyone who wants to leave last nights atmosphere behind for the sake of a shiny bowl with comfy seats wants fukcing with a ragman's trumpet.
Well said Wes... I'll drink to that pal. 🍻
 

RianBrice

Viv Anderson
Exactly my points. I do feel that some posters would be happy to revert to overcrowded terraces just "for the atmosphere'. They are conservatives with a small c and in any business, and football is a business, you have to get your head up and look forward. Forest loose lots of money because they do not have adequate, let alone first class, facilities in house.

Re local brewers. It's a trend to 'go local' and I support that. there are lots of breweries in the local area who I am sure would love tp get their products on sale at the WFCG. In an ideal world there would be a choice of bars and places to eat for supporters, both under the stands and in the immediate surroundings. right now it's filtered pasteurised chemical piss from a multi-national beer factory and a dodgy burger. OK, the Fan Zone has elevated the food offering somewhat but Forest are behind the curve, and they know it.
ummmm... £7.00a pint at West Ham at their shiny new home, lovely spacious concourses and all sorts of food on offer... but a shite atmosphere in a soulless bowl. I've got a few mates who are WH supporters and they'd give their right arm to be back at the Boleyn Ground. They feel they've lost a huge part of their identity and after visiting both grounds, so do I.
 

YellowBelly Red

Viv Anderson
Exactly my points. I do feel that some posters would be happy to revert to overcrowded terraces just "for the atmosphere'. They are conservatives with a small c and in any business, and football is a business, you have to get your head up and look forward. Forest loose lots of money because they do not have adequate, let alone first class, facilities in house.

Re local brewers. It's a trend to 'go local' and I support that. there are lots of breweries in the local area who I am sure would love tp get their products on sale at the WFCG. In an ideal world there would be a choice of bars and places to eat for supporters, both under the stands and in the immediate surroundings. right now it's filtered pasteurised chemical piss from a multi-national beer factory and a dodgy burger. OK, the Fan Zone has elevated the food offering somewhat but Forest are behind the curve, and they know it.
I remember when Greedy KIng supplied the beer to Forest. Their rep toured the ground, and objected to advertising posters, displaying a local brewer and local pubs, situated in the gents toilets. Apparently, they infringed the brewery/club beer sponsorship deal. and had to be removed.
 

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
ummmm... £7.00a pint at West Ham at their shiny new home, lovely spacious concourses and all sorts of food on offer... but a shite atmosphere in a soulless bowl. I've got a few mates who are WH supporters and they'd give their right arm to be back at the Boleyn Ground. They feel they've lost a huge part of their identity and after visiting both grounds, so do I.
My local side serves an excellent half-Liter of the local Stuttgarter Hofbräu for €5, or £4.29 of His Majesty‘s coinage.

Most Bundesliga stadia charge somewhere similar (even Bayern).

Anything more is just blatant price-gouging, IMHO.
 

Lady Penelope

First Team Squad
ummmm... £7.00a pint at West Ham at their shiny new home, lovely spacious concourses and all sorts of food on offer... but a shite atmosphere in a soulless bowl. I've got a few mates who are WH supporters and they'd give their right arm to be back at the Boleyn Ground. They feel they've lost a huge part of their identity and after visiting both grounds, so do I.
I agree. if I could buy West Ham I would and then find a way to move them back to where they belong, or if that were impossible (which is likely) I'd tear down that dump they play in, expose the Boris wrongdoings in the process, and rebuild a proper football ground on the site.
Athletics? Plenty of other places. That place will not be used again as it was for the Olympics.

Stade de France will be used for track and field, and ceremonies, this summer. I've been, twice, and they can move back the lower tier seats when it's not used for football or rugby. It is far, far better in every way than the West Ham dump. I don't know where the money went on "our Olympic stadium", but I can hazard a guess. People who worked on the original work in my business, as do people who worked on the re-working of it for WHU. A few bob was made apparently.
 

Lady Penelope

First Team Squad
My local side serves an excellent half-Liter of the local Stuttgarter Hofbräu for €5, or £4.29 of His Majesty‘s coinage.

Most Bundesliga stadia charge somewhere similar (even Bayern).

Anything more is just blatant price-gouging, IMHO.
I've no idea what price is charged at Forest because I wouldn't wash my car, or anything else, in what they sell.
 

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
I agree. if I could buy West Ham I would and then find a way to move them back to where they belong, or if that were impossible (which is likely) I'd tear down that dump they play in, expose the Boris wrongdoings in the process, and rebuild a proper football ground on the site.
Athletics? Plenty of other places. That place will not be used again as it was for the Olympics.

Stade de France will be used for track and field, and ceremonies, this summer. I've been, twice, and they can move back the lower tier seats when it's not used for football or rugby. It is far, far better in every way than the West Ham dump. I don't know where the money went on "our Olympic stadium", but I can hazard a guess. People who worked on the original work in my business, as do people who worked on the re-working of it for WHU. A few bob was made apparently.
The problem with the „London Stadium“ is that it was an architectural compromise, with central funding only available if athletics were considered a permanent part of the post-Olympics usage.

With the greatest of respect for athletics, you are not going to regularly fill a 60k-plus stadium unless the event is the Olympics, so what should have happened is money funded to properly establish (or refurbish) a venue for athletics, and then the stadium be properly redeveloped for football only usage. But it wasn’t, because of the aforementioned compromise, so you end up with a stadium that is unsuited to football, and when used for athletics, is barely half full.

This is why in Europe, many football clubs who have previously shared stadia with athletics, have instead opted to build their own, pure-football venues - FC Bayern and Juventus went down this route, and its one reason why Paris St. Germain have (so far…) refused multiple offers to move to the Stade de France, a significantly larger venue than their current Parc des Princes home.

Here in Germany, Hertha Berlin have planned for some years to move from the Olympiastadion to a purpose-built football stadium (their relegation last season put the kybosh on that for a bit though). And my own local side when redeveloping the Neckarstadion for the World Cup in 2006, removed athletics provision entirely, demolishing the running track and moving the four stands closer to the playing surface, work which has been extended for this summer‘s Euro 2024.

The two sports really don‘t mix, unless you want a completely messy compromise that does not really suit either one. West Ham effectively accepted this by taking on the „London Stadium“, whereas other potential football club tenants (was it not offered to Spurs as well at one point?) took a swerve.

Even Manchester City‘s „Etihad Stadium“, which previously hosted the Commonwealth Games, was remodelled to remove most of the athletics stuff to make it more suitable for Football.
 

YellowBelly Red

Viv Anderson
The problem with the „London Stadium“ is that it was an architectural compromise, with central funding only available if athletics were considered a permanent part of the post-Olympics usage.

With the greatest of respect for athletics, you are not going to regularly fill a 60k-plus stadium unless the event is the Olympics, so what should have happened is money funded to properly establish (or refurbish) a venue for athletics, and then the stadium be properly redeveloped for football only usage. But it wasn’t, because of the aforementioned compromise, so you end up with a stadium that is unsuited to football, and when used for athletics, is barely half full.

This is why in Europe, many football clubs who have previously shared stadia with athletics, have instead opted to build their own, pure-football venues - FC Bayern and Juventus went down this route, and its one reason why Paris St. Germain have (so far…) refused multiple offers to move to the Stade de France, a significantly larger venue than their current Parc des Princes home.

Here in Germany, Hertha Berlin have planned for some years to move from the Olympiastadion to a purpose-built football stadium (their relegation last season put the kybosh on that for a bit though). And my own local side when redeveloping the Neckarstadion for the World Cup in 2006, removed athletics provision entirely, demolishing the running track and moving the four stands closer to the playing surface, work which has been extended for this summer‘s Euro 2024.

The two sports really don‘t mix, unless you want a completely messy compromise that does not really suit either one. West Ham effectively accepted this by taking on the „London Stadium“, whereas other potential football club tenants (was it not offered to Spurs as well at one point?) took a swerve.

Even Manchester City‘s „Etihad Stadium“, which previously hosted the Commonwealth Games, was remodelled to remove most of the athletics stuff to make it more suitable for Football.
The fact that Sullivan and Gold got it for free, is all you need to know.
 

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
The fact that Sullivan and Gold got it for free, is all you need to know.
Oh I don‘t know, they probably bunged someone a few rubber cocks for the privelege?
 

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
Mescaline.

(And if you get that reference then you’ll know where my user name came from).

Edit - just seen that Congo went with peyote!
„Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas. Five years later? Six? It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era—the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run... but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant....“
 

Rubics

Bin VAR!
I had a pint of that before the Palace game. It was disgusting.
Why is the real ale/bitter drinker being punished.

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Palace game is the only time I’ve not been in this season - they were queing back to the trent that day so didn’t have time. Been ok every other game I’ve had one or two in there - certainly better than anything else in the ground.
 

Doctor Gonzo

First Team Squad
„Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas. Five years later? Six? It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era—the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run... but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant....“
That is correct I named myself after Raul Duke.
 

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion

magicwoand

It tizwas it is
I agree. if I could buy West Ham I would and then find a way to move them back to where they belong, or if that were impossible (which is likely) I'd tear down that dump they play in, expose the Boris wrongdoings in the process, and rebuild a proper football ground on the site.
Athletics? Plenty of other places. That place will not be used again as it was for the Olympics.

Stade de France will be used for track and field, and ceremonies, this summer. I've been, twice, and they can move back the lower tier seats when it's not used for football or rugby. It is far, far better in every way than the West Ham dump. I don't know where the money went on "our Olympic stadium", but I can hazard a guess. People who worked on the original work in my business, as do people who worked on the re-working of it for WHU. A few bob was made apparently.
They can still use it for athletics and a number of other things. The versatility of the stadium is pretty impressive. What were they meant to do when hosting the Olympics? It was built pretty cheaply when compared to Beijing.

 

DizzyBala

Jack Armstrong
That no alcohol rule in the stands is really outdated, at this point. There is a few chaps near me that come to games and you can tell they're half in the bag already, plus, you literally have a concourse a 15 second walk away where you can buy a beer. As long as they aren't glass bottles and are in plastic cups, what difference does it make?

Considering how long they cook them, you'd be in more trouble getting clobbered by an overcooked sausage roll at Forest than you would getting a plastic pint thrown at you. For the amount that swill they serve costs, you'd expect to order it to your seat and have them hold the cup while you drink it to be honest.

I don't drink at football, usually, because if I can, I try and avoid wading through other people's piss in the club toilets but it really don't make a difference. We've got the odd yobbo in the Lower Trent End, but it never gets tasty there. 😄
 
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