Referee analyst ... really ?

[valspoodle]

It actually happened in the same spot as the Taiwo penalty incident, give or take a few yards, and I can't undersatand why the lino hasn't taken any action in either case. They are supposed to be a team.

Mind you, Dermot Gallagher said this morning that one decision they were talking about he would have missed because he would have been too close and "wouldn't have been looking at their feet"! So there's another reason they miss fouls etc, they aren't looking. Therefore, if they see the result of a collision, bodies all over the pitch and they see no reason for it, why not ask VAR what happened? Instead of just waving it away.

 

[Canadian_red]

You could see them pointing at something though, which I can only imagine was the contact. Guess it could've been something else.

 

[Buckeye]

To be fair if he can comment dyring pre game perparations on the quirks of that weeks ref (He gives a lot of free kicks for holding in the box during corners, he's quick with a booking for dissent, like to dish out bookings early, etc) and it can help shape our game plan, it might be the kind of marginal gain that gets us an extra few points over a season, so I don't hate it.

That being said, if all he's going to do is comment when we get robbed, after the fact, then I don't really see the point.

 

[Redemption]

To be fair if he can comment dyring pre game perparations on the quirks of that weeks ref (He gives a lot of free kicks for holding in the box during corners, he's quick with a booking for dissent, like to dish out bookings early, etc) and it can help shape our game plan, it might be the kind of marginal gain that gets us an extra few points over a season, so I don't hate it.

If that data existed we would have access to it already. It wouldn't need a ref to analyse it.

As per Nuno, he has been bought in to give his subjective view on subjective decisions.

 

[Gyros Peter]

If that data existed we would have access to it already. It wouldn't need a ref to analyse it.

In fairness he could create that data.

I reckon he just wants free tickets for Giant, who I assume/hope is a red dog.

 

[Redemption]

In fairness he could create that data

That's a lot of work.

 

[stantonred]

I’ve been thinking about it and willing to see what happens before judging. After all, we do have a history of innovation. It could prove to be a master stroke and others follow suit

 

[Redemption]

master stroke

It's Mark Clattenberg, there's only one master stroke he's associated with.

 

[Gyros Peter]

That's a lot of work.

Depends if it data or report based - if you watch referee performances week in/out, which I imagine Clattenburg (and indeed most refs) does then advising on the matchday reffing team is fairly bread and butter. I read an article earlier where he alluded to doing that for us - I'll see if I can find it.

 

[Gyros Peter]

Here you go - it was in a Gary Neville moaning article, where he states we should be doing this because var is sorted now with no recent mistakes (the absolute twat).

"Clattenburg's new position at the City Ground tasks him with helping the club with pre-match preparation on officials that will be covering their next game, assist in understanding of how and why certain decisions are made and also attempt to improve the club's relationship with the refereeing body."

Seems pretty bread and butter assuming he still watches lots of football/refs in between screaming 'ready' with his new big mates.

 

[Redemption]

Here you go - it was in a Gary Neville moaning article, where he states we should be doing this because var is sorted now with no recent mistakes (the absolute twat).

"Clattenburg's new position at the City Ground tasks him with helping the club with pre-match preparation on officials that will be covering their next game, assist in understanding of how and why certain decisions are made and also attempt to improve the club's relationship with the refereeing body."

Seems pretty bread and butter assuming he still watches lots of football/refs in between screaming 'ready' with his new big mates.

Is still think it's a lot to watch.

You want to know what W Anker is like as a referee. That's 50 decisions per game? How many games to watch and categorise before you can say he don't know what ya doing?


But who knows?

 

[Gyros Peter]

Is still think it's a lot to watch.

You want to know what W Anker is like as a referee. That's 50 decisions per game? How many games to watch and categorise before you can say he don't know what ya doing?


But who knows?o

I could tell you without even seeing him that, if he's in the prem, W Anker is shit.

In seriousness I don't think it's that much for someone who is a specialist in that field - you don't need to watch every game/decision to form an opinion on a ref, how much they let go, what they do and don't tend to book for, how much they look to let play go etc.

Clattenburg will know most of that already imho.

 

[Cureboy]

Call me a miserable old f ucker but I am still seething about that VAR 'decision' at the weekend. The two clowns at the weekend should be banned and docked a months wages for such an awful decision. It was BLATANT!!!

 

[Gyros Peter]

Call me a miserable old f ucker but I am still seething about that VAR 'decision' at the weekend. The two clowns at the weekend should be banned and docked a months wages for such an awful decision. It was BLATANT!!!

I'm still not over the Newcastle one. Winning helps with the letting go.

 

[oxonred]

Apparently these analysts are common in other countries, maybe it might help, who knows, let’s see.

 

[RianBrice]

I think they meant the referee's anal list.

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Yes, most of them look like they frequent the Blue Oyster bar.

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

Blimey, Marinakis is certainly doing his bit for job creation in Nottingham.

Does this have a bearing on FFP figures as well?

 

[Statto]

Blimey, Marinakis is certainly doing his bit for job creation in Nottingham.

Does this have a bearing on FFP figures as well?

I'd expect wages count. But I can't see that in comparison to the players MC will be getting much for what seems to be simply an advisory role.

 

[Erik]

"Clattenburg's new position at the City Ground tasks him with helping the club with pre-match preparation on officials that will be covering their next game, assist in understanding of how and why certain decisions are made and also attempt to improve the club's relationship with the refereeing body."

You can just see it now....

Pre match meeting -

Clattenburg: 'Right lads, I'm here to tell you how 'play' the referee and get more decisions go your way.'

Ryan Yates: 'Yeah, as if.'

Clattenburg: 'No need to be so cynical, believe it or not it's quite easy to con a referee into giving the decision you want.

Yates: 'We know. We looked up your record.'

.................

Post match:

HW: 'Hi Mark, come on in, good to see you again. How's the wife and family?'

MC: 'Good thanks Howard, good to see you again too.'

HW 'Still 2 sugars Mark?'

MC: 'No, I had to cut back because of the Gladiator thing, just one now.'

HW: 'I saw that, you looked good on it, custard cream or bourbon?'

MC: 'Thanks, do you have any choccy digestives?'

HW: 'Yes, no problem, here you are, anyway, what are you here for?'

MC: 'Well, it's about last Saturday, the ref gave a penalty when Jota fell over with no one within 5 feet of him and turned down a blatant penalty when Van Dijk caught the ball and bowled it out to Salah to score from an offside position.'

HW: 'What can I say Mark? It was shit wasn't it?'

MC: 'Shit? It was so breathtakingly bad that even Stevie Wonder knew they were wrong! What the hell do you all think you're doing? It's got to stop!'

HW: 'Yeah, sorry about that, I'll send out instructions to make it less obvious next time.'

MC: 'Is that all?'

HW: 'I'll tell them not to send Nuno off for protesting next time.'

MC: 'Well, that's about as good as I'll get I guess.'

HW: 'Good, that's settled then. Cupcake?'

MC: 'Please'.

.........

 

[RedRich]

willing to see what happens before judging....

What kind of witchcraft is that?

 

[PynchonForest]

I actually think this could well be a shrewd move. For starters, Clattenberg was a brilliant referee, one of the absolute best on planet Earth over the past 25 years. As such, his perceptions of what referees are and how they think would be far more insightful than pretty much anyone, anywhere. He certainly has not been shy about criticizing a referee or three. During one interview about a year ago he went to great depths to differentiate between refs who understood the game (like Oliver) and refs who had never played, and how they perceived the game. He threw Atkinson, Jon Moss and Steve Bennett (?) under the bus as three guys who couldn't play and it showed in their refereeing. He referenced a referee friendly where you could tell right away which guys hadn't played. Anyhow, getting back to the shrewd aspect, I am certain Mark can discuss with our players what tendencies any referee has in the EPL, and how we can make those tendencies work for us. I am actually quite surprised no other club has gone down this route. It seems a very logical move, all things considered. In addition, I think this may exert pressure on referees to give us calls, at the risk of drawing Clattenberg's ire. This is a guy who has reffed the European Championship final, and a Champions League final. His pedigree is indisputable. IF he criticizes a ref, he merely gets a fine. Quite certain AM will be glad to pay them.

 

[Cortez the Killer]

That's a lot of work.

It's a lot of work commenting on decisions the officials get wrong.

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[Listen 'ere young man]

Can we finally say we have a ref on our books?

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

You could see them pointing at something though, which I can only imagine was the contact. Guess it could've been something else.

No not the contact. I think the conversations went like this.

Var One: "Wow did you see those two ladybirds mating over there?"

Var Two: "I did. It's amazing this early, isn't it, it really shows how global warming is affecting things."

Ref: "Var guys, I need your answer was it a penalty."

Var One puts hand over mic, and says to Var Two, "What's he on about?"

Var Two with mic covered: "No idea, just say we agree with him."

Var one removes hand from mic, "We agree with your decision Boss."

Ref announces, "No penalty."

 

[garibaldi]

A smart move. A lot of tactics in this league revolve around play acting and blatant cheating. Hopefully Clattenburg can give some insight into a referee's mind to our players so we can cheat like the big boys and stop being so naive. This may compliment his primary duty which will be to create as much media attention on the bullshit incidents that we've recently endured akin to the top boys and thus, hopefully bullies the referees leading to subjective decisions going our way as they check badge. (Yes Neco's penalty was blatant and not subjective, so you can see what we're up against.)

He never should have sent Dawson off however!