Tobias
Jack Burkitt
Isn't that currently blocked by a Greek cargo ship?
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Lyle James Alfred Taylor
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Isn't that currently blocked by a Greek cargo ship?
He should be doing this week in week out at Forest for his 10 min appearances...correction once a month on his single 10 min appearance
Ashley
Steve Chettle
Meh. Assuming Chris Hughton is still here in the summer, Lyle Taylor won't be. He's clearly 3rd choice despite the others not exactly firing on all cylinders, and he'll only fall further down the pecking order once CH brings in his own players in the summer.
ubik
Geoff Thomas
So Lyle Taylor has scored 3 in 2 games for Montserrat, and Alex Mighten scored a superb goal for England u-19s who beat Arsenal u-23s 6-1.
Hard to see why Taylor doesn't get a few starts.
Hard to see why Taylor doesn't get a few starts.
Redemption
One less gobshite...
He played alongside Spalding United's Spencer Weir Daily, so I can see why you think a game against Antigua and Barbuda is a good measure of his level.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
I agree with you but not for that reason. He showed at Charlton he was a handful and hasn't really had a chance here. I'd give him 4-5 games and say, look the shirt is yours, show me what you can do, then if it doesn't work out after we can pop him back on the bench.
Carlos
Massive Member
Just going to pop by and say isn't he the top scorer in the mighty Hughton Forest side?
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Francis Benali (on loan)
Guest
He was handful at Charlton in the two games against Forest which probably got him the move. He was also prolific for the first month last season when Charlton were riding high after promotion.
His return from the rest of the games he played for Charlton last season was adequate, there are certainly worse, but it doesn't scream top Championship striker. And his half season at Charlton in 2019/20 was all we had to go on when assessing him as a Championship goalscorer. His career had been on the up and up from non-league, and I think it's possible he peaked by reaching the second tier then, along with the his teammates, punching above his weight for a month.
He was dropped after eight consecutive starts during which Forest scored one goal, through a defender, with him on the pitch. As he hasn't started with him since, I'm guessing Hughton decided he had seen enough. I think I'd sooner a manager who knows his mind and trusts his judgement.
His return from the rest of the games he played for Charlton last season was adequate, there are certainly worse, but it doesn't scream top Championship striker. And his half season at Charlton in 2019/20 was all we had to go on when assessing him as a Championship goalscorer. His career had been on the up and up from non-league, and I think it's possible he peaked by reaching the second tier then, along with the his teammates, punching above his weight for a month.
He was dropped after eight consecutive starts during which Forest scored one goal, through a defender, with him on the pitch. As he hasn't started with him since, I'm guessing Hughton decided he had seen enough. I think I'd sooner a manager who knows his mind and trusts his judgement.
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Francis Benali (on loan)
Guest
What's more, given the way his transfer from Charlton played out, I assume he's on a pretty decent contract? Hughton still has to trim the squad in the summer. Sending him to Coventry figuratively, playing him behind half-fit Grabban and 37yo Murray might be his way of saying 'you really need to move on'.
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Grenville Morris
I agree with your last paragraph but the rest is a bit tenuous. I just feel sad that in a season when we literally can't hit a cows arse with the proverbial banjo he's been basically frozen out. From what I've seen he's got a bit of everything, pace, pretty good arial ability and he certainly knows where the goal is when the chances fall his way (which haven't been all that often). I wouldn't mind if we had someone in there up front on a hot streak keeping him out on merit, but what, pray does "merit" look like in this side?.I also think that he was one of our saleable assets if handled right even if we didn't want to keep him and on that basis alone I'd have kept him on the pitch a bit more.
Having said that Hughton is the professional, he knows and sees far more than keyboard warriors like us and like all managers he'll stand or fall on decisions like this.
Cortez the Killer
Impressive member
I was excited when he signed, however I have been disappointed with Taylor in the games he's played and so I am not that surprised that Hughton doesn't seem to rate him.
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MASE
Up-Front
Agree & disagree with this, certainly don't see the pace angle with Taylor, don't see him winning much aerially & it certainly feels like he's fluffed as many lines as Grabban in front of goal.
That said, Grabbans getting the lions share of the game time currently & his form is woeful. Taylor brings more off the ball, so you'd expect him to get a start.
Ultimately Francis has probably hit the nail on the head, the word currently is Grabban stays & Taylor goes, thats more than likely a financial decision & we're trying to play Grabban into some sort of form for next season.
Ravi
Upper Decker
Taylor isn't quite the quality required. Works hard, runs around a lot, decent finisher, but not much else. He isn't going to be a match winner. He's similar to a lot of other lower end Championship/top end League One strikers. Ok as a squad player, but you wouldn't want to have to start him every week.
Master Yates
John Robertson
Taylor would be fine as a backup/rotation option if we can get Grabban back to last season’s form.
The problem is, Grabbs looks miles off it at the moment.
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Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
Assuming the conspiracy theorists (that's me) are wrong in the assertion that Lyle Taylor and Chris Hughton have fallen out big time, then one has to conclude that Chris Hughton isn't impressed by his current top scoring striker.
And as Hughton is the man in charge and, if one believes the sincerity of Randall's words, he looks likely to be given time, then one can only conclude Taylor simply doesn't have a future at Forest.
I think this is a real pity, as Talor comes across as an intelligent and articulate footballer, with bags of energy and a willingnerss to run himself after every lost cause hit and hope pass from defence and midfield.
Did I mention he is also our top scorer, despite not being a CH favourite?
And as Hughton is the man in charge and, if one believes the sincerity of Randall's words, he looks likely to be given time, then one can only conclude Taylor simply doesn't have a future at Forest.
I think this is a real pity, as Talor comes across as an intelligent and articulate footballer, with bags of energy and a willingnerss to run himself after every lost cause hit and hope pass from defence and midfield.
Did I mention he is also our top scorer, despite not being a CH favourite?
Cortez the Killer
Impressive member
You're damning him with faint praise, Captain. We've had the same amount of goals from the opposition players as Taylor has scored for us. And two of Taylor's goals were against Wycombe, which if you listen to those bemoaning Murray, don't count as the opposition was so poor.
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Isn't 'Own Goal' our top scorer?
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
It depends on definitions.
Taylor has 5 in all competitions.
Own goals have 4, all in the Championship (equal with 4 for Taylor in theChampionship alone).
Timothy Pope
I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
That O Goal may score once in a while , but he contributes very little anywhere else on the pitch.
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Bit like the other 10 then.
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Grenville Morris
But that's crazy logic for a guy whose 33 and now, quite clearly well on his downward trajectory...what are we keeping him for?.
At least with Taylor theres the possibility of upside, because he's younger and say he hits a streak early next season with a rejigged side then you have a player either to score goals or sell
mellison99
Youth Team
I mean Taylor is 31 so it's not like he's a young player.
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Grenville Morris
Young-er. That’s different from young. Hopefully you are just being silly not stupid!.
And you are probably right with the inference that if he were 25 he might get a chance but at 31 he’s probably seen as a cast off by CH. And I don’t mind that. At the end of the day it’s a call we all expect the manager to make. I just worry where the replacement 20+ a season striker is coming from to replace him and how much he’s going to cost....
What's the point in spending £millions on a 20 goal a season striker in order to turn him into a 5 goal a season striker?
Why not just spend £350k on a 4 goal a season striker and see if we can coax an extra goal or two out of them?