Have we trained his set-piece delivery skills out of him yet?
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uredsuns
Rice 13
Well considering his first corner didn't beat the first man, either we have done jus that. But I think the reason we are so shot at set pieces is that we train on a different sized pitch to the one we play on.
Rubics
Bin VAR!
I said to my lad - hasn’t took long after the first corner was short and a later one went over everyone! stantonred
First Team Squad
Yeah, one of the best dead ball specialists over last 5 years seems to have been Space Jammed since coming here. Can’t remember being wowed by any so far
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Im seeing pretty much what I expected in and out of possession really in that, while he has an engine, he doesn't engage in or win battles, and is a safety first type with the ball.
To his credit he does show for the ball well and always offers a option, and in a more possession based side (which we kind of appear to be this year) that could be useful alongside a more dynamic type.
I'm also hoping that Nuno gets him looking to hit that early long pass that Danilo loves as he has that range in his locker, though my worry is that he doesn't have the physicality to impose himself in the role he is currently being asked to do in the absence of Sangare and Danilo.
Early days but, surprisingly positive stats v Liverpool aside, as thread sponsor and general advocate for the signing (!) I'm yet to be impressed.
To his credit he does show for the ball well and always offers a option, and in a more possession based side (which we kind of appear to be this year) that could be useful alongside a more dynamic type.
I'm also hoping that Nuno gets him looking to hit that early long pass that Danilo loves as he has that range in his locker, though my worry is that he doesn't have the physicality to impose himself in the role he is currently being asked to do in the absence of Sangare and Danilo.
Early days but, surprisingly positive stats v Liverpool aside, as thread sponsor and general advocate for the signing (!) I'm yet to be impressed.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
It depends what you want from him. He does a lot of things out of possession that will go unnoticed like cutting passing lanes off. He's not the sort that will engage too often though and he's not going to be box to box either. So often it's dependent on the style you play and/or whether the players around him compliment and balance what he offers. I think Danilo alongside him would be a far more effective balance but obviously that's not an option at the moment. I also think that when Danilo does return the best midfield pairing will be Danilo and Anderson.
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Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Mostly agree with that - it's clear he's not my 'type' of CM, but how much we get out of him depends on our playing style imho.
Can't see him getting much game time with everyone fit/available - he's tied fifth choice CM for me at present - but the chances of everyone being that are slim, and (as said previously, sorry) if our game isn't to evolve to one of more possession/angles work hopefully we can get a bit more dynamism in passing coached in.
valspoodle
Steve Chettle
Only actually seen him onfield once and that was for Southampton against us.
He looked a quiet player, just recycling the ball and quietly moving around the centre of the pitch. His set piece deliveries were good.
Now, seemingly, he's still quietly pottering about, but has forgotten his primary skill. Tricky problem.
He looked a quiet player, just recycling the ball and quietly moving around the centre of the pitch. His set piece deliveries were good.
Now, seemingly, he's still quietly pottering about, but has forgotten his primary skill. Tricky problem.
Adds nothing to the middle, slow, ponderous with backwards and sideways passing. JWP and Yates as a midfield pairing has to be one of the worst in the league.
Until Danilo & Sangare are fit, I think we have to drop Morgan into a deeper role for some energy in the middle and go 3 at the back.
Similar to what we played back end of last season vs City & Chelsea.
Until Danilo & Sangare are fit, I think we have to drop Morgan into a deeper role for some energy in the middle and go 3 at the back.
Similar to what we played back end of last season vs City & Chelsea.
Mr. Blonde
John Robertson
Solid, quietly goes about his work, doesn't make any obvious errors, probably the best you can say about him
Wouldn't get in the side ahead of Danilo for me but I dare say Dani's absence was probably a big reason he was brought in
Wouldn't get in the side ahead of Danilo for me but I dare say Dani's absence was probably a big reason he was brought in
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
He's a PL standard Sammy Clingan.
Closes down space and channels which often goes unnoticed. Gets the ball and gives it to a team mate consistently but also is quite good at the Beckham style more searching pass. But you won't see anything flash from him.
It's clear he's been brought in for his FKs and corners, which we haven't maximised yet but that's not down to his delivery.
Closes down space and channels which often goes unnoticed. Gets the ball and gives it to a team mate consistently but also is quite good at the Beckham style more searching pass. But you won't see anything flash from him.
It's clear he's been brought in for his FKs and corners, which we haven't maximised yet but that's not down to his delivery.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
Admittedly we're working off a small sample size here and part of the issue as I mentioned could be the wrong balance alongside him but I'm struggling to see what in game effect JWP has over Freuler who was absolutely hammered by most people.
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Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
I think of we learned anything from yesterday it's that JWP and Yates doesn't work as a effective midfield pairing.
The other should be if you start a game with all of your CM options you'd better make sure you leave the right two on second half... we were nowhere near winning that battle, but assume Anderson was done.
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
For a start, we need to create situations to give him some decent free-kick opportunities.
Hard to create those situations when your midfield pairing is Yates & JWP. Both can only pass backwards and sideways, can’t carry or drive with the ball and have no pace.
Going from Danilo & Sangare to those two is a massive downgrade.
JWP should just be used when we are chasing a game late on and we need to get the ball in the box.
It's Baggio
John Robertson
Really disappointed with him yesterday. I wasn't expecting much out of possession & that's what we got. Made the odd interception but otherwise very passive. In possession though, he was a bit of a letdown. Seemed reluctant to get on the ball & when he did he was very cautious, which meant that Yates was the one often trying to get things moving, which is obviously not his strength.
If his job was to run around and take set pieces then he'd have been better on the right & Anderson in the middle, at least then we'd have had someone capable of crossing the ball to the two strikers.
If his job was to run around and take set pieces then he'd have been better on the right & Anderson in the middle, at least then we'd have had someone capable of crossing the ball to the two strikers.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
I think the Anderson Yates central pairing is far more robust, but understand/assume that Nuno is trying to bed JWP in.
Not going great so far - hooked on 45 last week and replaced in the role by a winger as we were getting done yesterday. Be interesting to see what happens next...
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
The stuff about his dead ball strength is interesting.
It is well known that he failed to score a single direct free kick while at WHU.
What is probably less well known is how many goals he has scored from direct free kicks in his time as a premier league player.
It is well known that he failed to score a single direct free kick while at WHU.
What is probably less well known is how many goals he has scored from direct free kicks in his time as a premier league player.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
17, one less than daveo.
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
So he either has the potential to deliver us a significant number of crucial goals.
Or he has past his peak and is now on a downward curve.
He has made 384 premier league appearances, so direct free kick goals arise once every 23 games.
On that simple average, he will contribute less than 2 goals from direct free kicks this season.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Peak wise from a set piece pov I'm not sure that's a thing, and in fairness from him as a player too (given his type) I've no worries there. In terms of crucial goals he might add 5 from corners too.
As I've said countless times I think he's Sammy Clingan with numbers, but his output last season suggests that he can (and will) contribute.
My issue with him is when he isn't getting numbers he's not a great CM and will lose you that battle more than win it.
MASE
Up-Front
He's been shite so far. Whats more, we've stopped trying to buy cheap free kicks since he came in.
Anderson wide with JWP in the middle was another bizarre call from the manager.
Anderson wide with JWP in the middle was another bizarre call from the manager.
Grenville 1898
Nicolás Domínguez - King of the Press
JWP doesn't make breaks between the lines, his tackling ain't great, he's not very fast, he doesn't make many incisive passes, and he's slower to use the ball than a top level midfielder should be. On the plus side, hard working and committed, superb free kicks (not that we've seen any), intelligent and articulate. All these points were made to me by Saints fans before he joined Forest.
Seems a fair summary of what we've seen thus far.
I agree that he seem to be a better fit in a central midfield 3.
Seems a fair summary of what we've seen thus far.
I agree that he seem to be a better fit in a central midfield 3.
I think his been the one "name" signing we have made without knowing too much about him, probably a snap decision after the danillo injury.