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Otis Redding

Otis Redding

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cheapseats said:
Well lets hope we don't F that up...
Along with starting to turn the Juggernaught round on the pitch we also need to get this sort of thing right, without fuss and without bad feeling. Its not difficult but like you I am sure I still remember the Bassett side where we got promoted pretty easily to make asinine decisions off the pitch that led to complete implosion. Lets not do that again.....please
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That was because the Bridgeford (sic) Consortium hadn't made the stock market killing they were banking-on (being the sole reason they acquired the club) and so decided to cash-in on assets to compensate.

I'm not saying that EM won't eventually want to see some return on his investment, but the current ownership is completely different to those f***ing carpetbaggers, Wray and Scholar..
 
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Grenville Morris
Otis Redd'un said:
That was because the Bridgeford (sic) Consortium hadn't made the stock market killing they were banking-on (being the sole reason they acquired the club) and so decided to cash-in on assets to compensate.

I'm not saying that EM won't eventually want to see some return on his investment, but the current ownership is completely different to those f***ing carpetbaggers, Wray and Scholar..
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Whatever the reasons it was still a clusterfuck. The squad that got promoted with 2-3 decent additions would have stayed in the prem IMO, so the decision making from that so called consortium, even if it was only about money was very poor indeed.

Just widening that out my guess is that its a minimum of 5 years in the prem as a newby, making mid table by the end before you can even think about taking money out if that's your objective and even then its damn risky. No one makes a killing in football-even Abramovich will have to take a hair cut on Chelsea and they are the role models for medium sized club metamorphosis to the big league.
 
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Grenville Morris
Otis Redd'un said:
I was informing you as to why Wray, Scholar and Markham did what they did, not f***ing justifying it, which your comment appears to imply.
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Fair enough Otis, I wasn’t suggesting you justified that toxic bunch of f***ers. Is it the same Wray whose involved with Saracen’s rugby?.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Vikare said:
Cubase;

the cpu screaming for mercy. The inexplicable audio lag. The "intuitive interface" nightmare.

So many memories.
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I remember trying to write scores in it, and then Sibelius came along for Mac and Windows (they needed to, no-one used acorn) when I was in about year 9, and the rest is history...

Saying that, the score output from Cubase, whilst it was mainly a sequencer, was usually adequate.
 
Vikare

Vikare

Viv Anderson
Statto said:
I remember trying to write scores in it, and then Sibelius came along for Mac and Windows (they needed to, no-one used acorn) when I was in about year 9, and the rest is history...

Saying that, the score output from Cubase, whilst it was mainly a sequencer, was usually adequate.
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Thank god, I am way too young for "writing scores in cubase." Writing scores in Sibelius is nightmare-inducing enough. Yes, Finale is --somehow-still-- worse.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Vikare said:
Thank god, I am way too young for "writing scores in cubase." Writing scores in Sibelius is nightmare-inducing enough. Yes, Finale is --somehow-still-- worse.
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Sib is easy enough once you get the hang of it, but yes, Finale is fiddly.

Cubase was fine if you could play it in accurately and then tidy it up later...
 
Otis Redding

Otis Redding

Try A Little Tenderness
cheapseats said:
Fair enough Otis, I wasn’t suggesting you justified that toxic bunch of f***ers. Is it the same Wray whose involved with Saracen’s rugby?.
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As has been confirmed, yes. Wray probably thought he could make a killing by floating NFFC in order to help fund his rugby ambitions. Quite frankly, we'd probably have suffered whether or not the bottom had dropped out of football club floatations by the time he and his cronies finally got control of the club.
 
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Grenville Morris
Otis Redd'un said:
As has been confirmed, yes. Wray probably thought he could make a killing by floating NFFC in order to help fund his rugby ambitions. Quite frankly, we'd probably have suffered whether or not the bottom had dropped out of football club floatations by the time he and his cronies finally got control of the club.
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Talk about "unfit people" to own a football club.
We complain, rightly about Fawaz and theres plenty dished out to other owners in football but that Wray mob were worse than all of them because they clearly, at no stage gave a shit about the football club and its fans other than the potential money they could bleed out of the club. It would have been the same if they were taking over and asset stripping a paint manufacturing company.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
You can excuse incompetance when running a football club and you can laugh at it when it's been and gone.

But the worst owners are the ones who know full well what they are doing, like Mad Mel down the road.
 
Otis Redding

Otis Redding

Try A Little Tenderness
cheapseats said:
Talk about "unfit people" to own a football club.
We complain, rightly about Fawaz and theres plenty dished out to other owners in football but that Wray mob were worse than all of them because they clearly, at no stage gave a shit about the football club and its fans other than the potential money they could bleed out of the club. It would have been the same if they were taking over and asset stripping a paint manufacturing company.
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It could probably have been so different however had Sandy Anderson's consortium taken control at that time.

Like one of the more prominant members of his group, Nigel Doughty, Anderson was a Forest season-ticket-holder with the best intentions, as opposed to the carpetbagger, Wray, and the tyre-kicker, Grant Bovey.
 
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Viv Anderson
Otis Redd'un said:
It could probably have been so different however had Sandy Anderson's consortium taken control at that time.

Like one of the more prominant members of his group, Nigel Doughty, Anderson was a Forest season-ticket-holder with the best intentions, as opposed to the carpetbagger, Wray, and the tyre-kicker, Grant Bovey.
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What's really frustrating about that is it's not even the benefit of hindsight talking.

It was fairly widely recognised at the time that Wray was more interested in Rugby, the credentials of Scholar were at best questionable considering his spell at Spurs, and that Phil Soar was a bought and paid for "friendly face" with no actual power or influence. It felt like everyone thought that the Sandy Anderson bid was the better one for the club (and I don't remember it even being close), but certain shareholders wanted their 30 pieces of silver and ultimately got it to significant detriment of the club.
 
Otis Redding

Otis Redding

Try A Little Tenderness
incident said:
What's really frustrating about that is it's not even the benefit of hindsight talking.

It was fairly widely recognised at the time that Wray was more interested in Rugby, the credentials of Scholar were at best questionable considering his spell at Spurs, and that Phil Soar was a bought and paid for "friendly face" with no actual power or influence. It felt like everyone thought that the Sandy Anderson bid was the better one for the club (and I don't remember it even being close), but certain shareholders wanted their 30 pieces of silver and ultimately got it to significant detriment of the club.
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And it's fairly common knowledge who the main ring-leader was.

The metaphorical arm-twisting of members opposed to the so-called Bridgeford (sic) Consortium became quite ugly until such numbers were 'persuaded' to vote for that shower to take control.
 
Calvin Plummer

Calvin Plummer

Viv Anderson
incident said:
What's really frustrating about that is it's not even the benefit of hindsight talking.

It was fairly widely recognised at the time that Wray was more interested in Rugby, the credentials of Scholar were at best questionable considering his spell at Spurs, and that Phil Soar was a bought and paid for "friendly face" with no actual power or influence. It felt like everyone thought that the Sandy Anderson bid was the better one for the club (and I don't remember it even being close), but certain shareholders wanted their 30 pieces of silver and ultimately got it to significant detriment of the club.
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Still boils my blood.

Those 200 twats who took their share for £1 has a single duty and that was to safeguard the club. Instead they took the dirty money and f**ked us. Including a couple of club legends that have forever tarnished themselves.
 
Otis Redding

Otis Redding

Try A Little Tenderness
Calvin Plummer said:
Still boils my blood.

Those 200 twats who took their share for £1 has a single duty and that was to safeguard the club. Instead they took the dirty money and f**ked us. Including a couple of club legends that have forever tarnished themselves.
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In fairness Calvin, there were a number of members, led by George Waterhouse, who stood their ground against handing control to Wray's mob, unfortunately not in sufficient numbers after the actions of the legends you refer to.
 
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Grenville Morris
Otis Redd'un said:
And it's fairly common knowledge who the main ring-leader was.

The metaphorical arm-twisting of members opposed to the so-called Bridgeford (sic) Consortium became quite ugly until such numbers were 'persuaded' to vote for that shower to take control.
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Who was the ring leader?
 
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