The World Famous City Ground - Home of the PROPER WORLD‘S OLDEST LEAGUE CLUB

[Bobby The Brain]

While I was at work today listening to a very informative presentation regarding mental health week I may have let my mind wander a bit and decided to look at the proposal of rotating the City Ground thru 90 degrees. The good news is, we can have a 47.5k stadium with minimal disruption, the bad news is I didn't really take much of the presentation on board... and the Trent End may now be in the Trent.

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Come on Cartledge get your finger out.... I really don't know what all the fuss is about - turns out you just need Google maps, the snip tool and a bit of a vivid imagination

Ha ha, love it, proper cut-n-shut job.

 

[Thomas]

The US has the benefit of being so bloody big and having lots of space. And they are happy to drive many miles to get anywhere. So if they want a new ground they build it miles away, surround it with acres of car parks and the customers seem happy to accept the change. Some of the car parks are so big it's almost like walking from WB to Toton!

We talk of moving less than ten miles and the heavens fall in. The Yanks make do without a Greggs or chippie being handy by taking a complete BBQ set in the back of the pick up truck.

We drive miles for the American football stadiums usually. A lot of our NHL NBA MLB and MLS stadiums are in or near enough a large city, think Oracle park for the San Francisco giants.

Tailgating is an extremely fundamental aspect of being American tho, glad you mentioned it. But, our stadiums are usually choke full of food options so there’s no need for a grocery chain.

I am not happy that the San Francisco 49ers decided to build a new stadium 40 miles south of where it used to be, in a completely different county god damn it. Plus, in a flight path so they can’t build a damn retractable roof so half the stadium cooks during the day.

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[Thomas]

The last thing we need to do is get more like bloody Americans. They think the answer to everything is the car when actually it's too many cars causing the problems.

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We’re slowly changing this, thank goodness. Majority of my generation would rather not be car dependent but it’s hard when all the NIMBYs are those with wealth and power.

 

[apondaway]

We drive miles for the American football stadiums usually. A lot of our NHL NBA MLB and MLS stadiums are in or near enough a large city, think Oracle park for the San Francisco giants.

Tailgating is an extremely fundamental aspect of being American tho, glad you mentioned it. But, our stadiums are usually choke full of food options so there’s no need for a grocery chain.

I am not happy that the San Francisco 49ers decided to build a new stadium 40 miles south of where it used to be, in a completely different county god damn it. Plus, in a flight path so they can’t build a damn retractable roof so half the stadium cooks during the day.

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First, Giants ballpark is great. Too bad it's wasted on such a crap organization. Go Blue!

Second, Levi Stadium was poorly thought out and executed.

Finally, Giants suck.

 

[Thomas]

First, Giants ballpark is great. Too bad it's wasted on such a crap organization. Go Blue!

Second, Levi Stadium was poorly thought out and executed.

Finally, Giants suck.

We are actually genuinely terrible Jesus Christ.


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[I'm Red Till Dead]

Does anyone know anybody that actually likes this idea???

Toton Ted from Teddington, who drives a bakers van.

 

[YellowBelly Red]

If you look at Everton's move, however sad it is to leave Goodison, if i were a fan i'd be excited about a beautiful new stadium closer to the city centre in a unique waterfront setting. That ground will become iconic and add a real cache to the club. Why on earth would we decide to spend what you would assume to be a similar amount of money to do precisely the opposite (at Toton). The more i think about it the more confident i am that £500-£750 million is just something Marinarkis just won't spend. We'll still be at the city ground in exactly the same position in 5 years time waiting for the shipping container boxes to arrive..

Goodison is situated in the middle of a right shit-hole, so anyone would be glad to move. The ground is old and cramped. The away end still has wooden floors!

There were plans many years ago to build a huge new complex at The Albert Dock (where the Echo Arena now is) for Liverpool and Everton to ground share. Needless to say, that never happened.

Then Everton were going to build a new ground at Kirkby, several miles out of Liverpool. Now that did run into much more resistance. Fans wanted to stay in the city.

The new ground at Bramley Dock, was built on an area desperate for regeneration. It looks good, and the forward thinking will certainly boost the area. The costs however, may well cripple the club for decades to come.

 

[SouthManchesterTree]

Yeah the CG is different to Goodison and other old grounds like Filbert Street in a couple of important ways:

- once you’re in your seat, with the exception of some of the the Main Stand, it’s fine. The views are good, it feels reasonably modern, there aren’t any pillars etc

- the catering and toilets are terrible, but there are so many great bars and restaurants outside the ground that that doesn’t matter as much as elsewhere. We all just arrive at the ground late and walk straight past the abysmal catering having had a very pleasant time in West Bridgford or Nottingham

The club understandably wants more people to be able to get a seat, more of that money we spend in nearby bars/restaurants to be spent inside, and more swanky facilities for the corporate market.

 

[Strummer]

Does anyone know anybody that actually likes this idea???

Tom Cartledge probably thinks it’s a cracker, given his firm are most likely to benefit from it.

 

[redforest]

I've been waiting for over 20 years for the buzz the matchday experience gives us now. Drinking in the packed quirky pubs around the station The anticipation as we're walking down Arkwright Street through the Meadows. Then the shuffling over Trent Bridge as the excitement level goes up another notch.
What we have now is special, really special. As a youngster in the 80's we had some wonderful times but nothing compares to how it's been over the last couple of seasons.
Home Saturdays are brilliant now - and this is with a poor team.
We must find a way to make the necessary improvements at the City Ground.

And change the “poor team” to a comfortable mid table one occasionally flirting with Europe

 

[Strummer]

We drive miles for the American football stadiums usually. A lot of our NHL NBA MLB and MLS stadiums are in or near enough a large city, think Oracle park for the San Francisco giants.

Tailgating is an extremely fundamental aspect of being American tho, glad you mentioned it. But, our stadiums are usually choke full of food options so there’s no need for a grocery chain.

I am not happy that the San Francisco 49ers decided to build a new stadium 40 miles south of where it used to be, in a completely different county god damn it. Plus, in a flight path so they can’t build a damn retractable roof so half the stadium cooks during the day.

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Tailgating in the car park is actually quite fun; but at American stadia, you don’t really need to given the quality of the offerings, mind you, they are not cheap, and often the only beer you can get inside is piss like Budweiser or Coors.

Ford Field, for example, the beverage outlets were excellent, plenty of food choices, but not cheap though. Fortunately, we’d spent some time in Founders‘ Brewing Company, before going to the stadium, so it was some decent beer first, then a greasy burger in the stadium with fries.

 

[Erik]

The 11,000 signed up for a season ticket at The City Ground though, it won't be that number who take up a season ticket in Toton. It will be at most 10,999 cos I'm on the list and I'm not bloody going there

If we were to move to Toton the club will tell us that another 12000 have joined the waiting list, excited to see this iconic stadium at first hand and that with the waiting list now at 22999 you will need to buy your season ticket (fantastic deals are available ranging from £1150 for concessions to £2500 for adults by the way) now to avoid the disappointment of seeing your seat given to someone else.

 

[Erik]

Tom Cartledge probably thinks it’s a cracker, given his firm are most likely to benefit from it.

Maybe, just maybe, the way to bring this whole idea to a shuddering halt is for all the fans to get together and support a move away from the City Ground on the condition that Benoy (or any company remotely connected to Benoy) don't have anything to do with it?

 

[Bryn Gunn]

The last thing we need to do is get more like bloody Americans. They think the answer to everything is the car when actually it's too many cars causing the problems.

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We’ll get round that with charging points for the more affluent fans with electric cars.
Market it right; “Forest electric is greener”, charge a bit extra and give a 5% discount voucher on the third kit and a free Forest key ring with each refuel
The possibilities are endless.

The plebs can get the tram or bus in, they’ll be rate as long as there’s a Ginsters, a flat Carling and a few screens to watch Sky Sports on the concourse.

 

[YellowBelly Red]

A billion pound stadium, and they can't use it until the 2025-26 season!

The interest charges on that sort of money must be staggering!

 

[Alan Akbah]

We were living in Shrewsbury when they left Gay Meadow and moved into a new stadium behind Sainsbury's on the outskirts of town.

Pros: Modern stadium, easier parking. Eased town centre congestion on match days. Club sold the old ground's land by the Abbey and river for a fortune.

Cons: Much more difficult to get to without a car. Much more soul-less than Gay Meadow. Coracle bloke lost his job. Old ground is now a housing estate that floods a lot. Local businesses that relied on the football crowds closed down. Town lost a bit of character.

Good business decision for the club, but I think the fans lost out a little on balance.

Either way Forest should buy the freehold. £10m is a no brainer. After many years of awkwardness about it, it's clear the Council want Forest to stay there.

 

[Dirk Furtull]

I don't know why folks are getting concerned about going to Toton, it's never going to happen. It makes absolutely no sense. It would actually suit me as I could walk there from Breaston, but as I said it's not happening.

I still think the club will be at the City Ground for years to come because what we lose by moving from there is irreplaceable.

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[bloodred]

Toton is a red herring we will move but it will be closer to town. We are just being acclimatized to the idea of leaving trentside. if we need to upsize For new financial rules then half the premier league will need to move also. As an aside why do six clubs get pampered by the premier league ? Surely it would be better to pamper all 20 equally and have a more competive league and have a more attractive package to sell ?

 

[Strummer]

As an aside why do six clubs get pampered by the premier league ? Surely it would be better to pamper all 20 equally and have a more competive league and have a more attractive package to sell ?

Because nobody in China is interested in Burnley v Luton.

 

[kenred64]

Because nobody in China is interested in Burnley v Luton.

Interesting to visit a sports shop on a trip to Singapore recently. Forest caps up there between Chelsea and Barcelona

 

[redodare]

Toton is a red herring we will move but it will be closer to town. We are just being acclimatized to the idea of leaving trentside. if we need to upsize For new financial rules then half the premier league will need to move also. As an aside why do six clubs get pampered by the premier league ? Surely it would be better to pamper all 20 equally and have a more competive league and have a more attractive package to sell ?

Most PL clubs have advanced plans already to move or significantly increase capacity.
Fueled by demand for tickets and financial regulations of operating in the PL.

 

[Est.1865]

Need to massively increase revenue to compete in the PL, that’s the harsh reality. The club haven’t been very good in managing its finances, that’s very clear…and an understatement…however, even that mismanagement is like pissing into the wind. You simply need more and more external income.

Brighton get mentioned all of the time. 30k stadium but they have been able to cash in on players. If they had a two year period where they didn’t have any saleable high value assets they would be screwed.

 

[bloodred]

Most PL clubs have advanced plans already to move or significantly increase capacity.
Fueled by demand for tickets and financial regulations of operating in the PL.

So disgruntled fans everywhere not just us Forest fans ? Can’t see much scope to up capacity at Brentford or Bournemouth. Even Leicester and the rams grounds are too small in terms of being able to produce the finance required to be competitive in the premier league.