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The World Famous City Ground - Home of the PROPER WORLD‘S OLDEST LEAGUE CLUB

Future of the WFCG? What‘s your preference?


  • Total voters
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I'm Red Till Dead

Stuart Pearce
I thought this list of Premier League owners, by net worth, was interesting...
1Newcastle UnitedSaudi Public Investment Fund, RB Sports & Media, PCP Capital Partners£489billion
2Manchester UnitedGlazer Family, Sir Jim Ratcliffe£22.01billion
3Manchester CityAbu Dhabi United Group, Silver Lake£17.37billion
4ChelseaTodd Boehly, Hansjorg Wyss, Mark Walter£12.47billion
5ArsenalStan Kroenke£10.18billion
6Aston VillaWes Edens, Nassef Sawiris£9.39billion
7Everton777 Partners£8billion
8LiverpoolJohn W. Henry, Tom Werner£7.74billion
9FulhamShahid Khan£6.24billion
10West Ham UnitedDavid Sullivan, Daniel Kretinsky£5.76billion
11Wolverhampton WanderersGuo Guangchang, Liang Xinjun, Wang Qunbin£5.45billion
12Tottenham HotspurJoe Lewis, Daniel Levy£4.58billion
13Crystal PalaceJohn Textor, David Blitzer, Josh Harris, Steve Parish£4.34billion
14BournemouthWilliam P. Foley£1.26billion
15Brighton & Hove AlbionTony Bloom£1.03billion
16Nottingham ForestEvangelos Marinakis£489million
17BrentfordMatthew Benham£220million
18Sheffield UnitedAbdullah bin Musaid Al Saud£158million
19Luton TownDavid Wilkinson£25.74million
20BurnleyAlan PaceUnknown

Does EM have the brass? He's a millionaire, trying to compete with Billionaires.
Yesterday's Daily Mail interview says he's now worth £3 billion. Moves him up a couple of places if true.
 

Wes' Organ

Biggles
Redders Everton have played at Goodison longer than we’ve been at the WFCG , they’re as attached to it as we are to our ground. They’re all getting excited now they can see it taking shape and so they should be because it’s the only way they can survive as a club.
They're moving less than a mile and still in Everton.
We're looking at 8.2 miles unless you have wings and barely in Notts let alone Nottingham.
 

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
They're moving less than a mile and still in Everton.
We're looking at 8.2 miles unless you have wings and barely in Notts let alone Nottingham.
^^^ That.

May as well move to Newark.
 

chaospunx

Geoff Thomas
A few brief points:

Iconic is a word that it used far too liberally

I don't want to go to Toton (but I can see that it is a possibility), better options are IMO available (and remain available). Land costs more near the city but the outcome would be just so much better than Toton.

The WFCG is both fantastic and terrible. Could it be done up to standard and increased capacity? perhaps, but it would be expensive to do and the transport and planning problems remain. Therefore I feel that we are likely to relocate, not just because it is quicker, cheaper, and we won't have to share a stadium for two / three years, but because the end product will be so much better in terms of facilities and income generation.

Atmosphere? That's up to us isn't it. So long as the design is right we won't suffer a crapa tmosphere. I have a Derby following neighbour who harps on about the old BBG on the one hand, then boasts about Prideless Park being rocking. Hmmm. What's the common denominator?

State of the art training centre, with pools, saunas, hotel and more. Toton is just great for this. Add in a small stadium for the reserves and we're cooking on gas.
No thanks sounds wank
 

'mist rollin in'

First Team Squad
One of the reasons I want to keep the City Ground is purely because of nostalgia and being a football romantic. I know these aren't good enough reasons and I've accepted that a move to the right location is probably inevitable. It just feels that with every season, we lose a part of football that makes it beautiful...

VAR ruining goal celebrations, scrapping FA Cup replays, Financial rules, Closed shop Premier League and now this latest suggestion of domestic games being played abroad

I know it's nothing to do with the City Ground, but the direction of football in the future doesn't look great, so it's natural to want to hold on to the past. It's all part of the changing times and if building a new stadium helps us generate commercial opportunities and compete in the future, I can get behind it, I just can't back the Toton move.
 

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
^^^ That.

May as well move to Newark.
I would add, I have nothing against Newark, it is a really cool place; I mean, I was born there so it must be.
 

Lady Penelope

First Team Squad
On the firms time, a couple of colleagues and myself have done a back of an envelope costing on Toton, the assumptions being:

multi-modal transport solutions
capacity of stadium circa 47000
road access via A52 Bardills with enhancements at the m1 / A52 intersection
tram terminus to remain where it is but with passing loops to allow faster trams to beeston and the city, longer platforms at some stops so two trams can be couple together
rail connection (electrified) from Toton to Nottingham Midland via Long Eaton (costs and location of a new station there not included) ... could be tram / train technology like the Sheffield to Rotherham, erm, pilot scheme (trams but they run on heavy rail lines).

Sit back folks, we've got this at just over £520 million at todays prices.

Of course, like all such projects in this country, it need not cost this, but it will.

Planning would be at least five years to conclusion if we started tomorrow then add two or three years to build.

It's not happening. it's definitely not happening.

Even if our skilled and experienced but admittedly back of an envelope (well, it was done on a Mac but hey) costings are 30% over or under (more probably the latter)... there's your answer. We have not worked from detailed drawings because there are none, we have simply applied our collective experience and the costs are huge.

The biggest obstacles: road changes on the A52 and at Bardills
The train link (the project would not work without it)
The fact that the local authorities directly involved (City, Broxtowe and the County), plus the tram company, the road and rail people and the other statutory consultees, then also Erewash (Earwash?) as a neighboroughing Council and impacted authority, Derbys too no doubt... nightmare.
 

Gariballdidaz

A. Trialist
While I was at work today listening to a very informative presentation regarding mental health week I may have let my mind wander a bit and decided to look at the proposal of rotating the City Ground thru 90 degrees. The good news is, we can have a 47.5k stadium with minimal disruption, the bad news is I didn't really take much of the presentation on board... and the Trent End may now be in the Trent.

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Come on Cartledge get your finger out.... I really don't know what all the fuss is about - turns out you just need Google maps, the snip tool and a bit of a vivid imagination
 
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I'm still here Crewton
I've been waiting for over 20 years for the buzz the matchday experience gives us now. Drinking in the packed quirky pubs around the station The anticipation as we're walking down Arkwright Street through the Meadows. Then the shuffling over Trent Bridge as the excitement level goes up another notch.
What we have now is special, really special. As a youngster in the 80's we had some wonderful times but nothing compares to how it's been over the last couple of seasons.
Home Saturdays are brilliant now - and this is with a poor team.
We must find a way to make the necessary improvements at the City Ground.
 

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
The US has the benefit of being so bloody big and having lots of space. And they are happy to drive many miles to get anywhere. So if they want a new ground they build it miles away, surround it with acres of car parks and the customers seem happy to accept the change. Some of the car parks are so big it's almost like walking from WB to Toton!

We talk of moving less than ten miles and the heavens fall in. The Yanks make do without a Greggs or chippie being handy by taking a complete BBQ set in the back of the pick up truck.
 

'mist rollin in'

First Team Squad
One question that's been on my mind with the stadium debate is this...

Do we have 50,000 fans?

We know there are approx 20,000 season ticket holders and 11,000 on the waiting list (although this figure will be over inflated as it covers members who automatically get signed up on the list).

We know that all home games sell out, so we sell 27,000 tickets for each home game. There's still around 15,000 to 20,000 fans to find to fill a large stadium. Given the price of Premier League tickets, would we actually fill it week in/week out; we're not a large city compared to London, Birmingham, Leeds or Manchester. Surrounding cities have obviously got their own clubs.

I know we've got fans across the world and there are lots of fans who watch and listen across the country, but would we actually fill a large stadium week in/week out, not just against the big clubs, but at home against Bournemouth, a Luton type club etc.

Considering that 5 years ago, attendance at a bang average Championship match would be 25,000, have we got double that amount of fans willing to pay and fill a large stadium?
 

Lefkasman

Ian Bowyer
The US has the benefit of being so bloody big and having lots of space. And they are happy to drive many miles to get anywhere. So if they want a new ground they build it miles away, surround it with acres of car parks and the customers seem happy to accept the change. Some of the car parks are so big it's almost like walking from WB to Toton!

We talk of moving less than ten miles and the heavens fall in. The Yanks make do without a Greggs or chippie being handy by taking a complete BBQ set in the back of the pick up truck.
The last thing we need to do is get more like bloody Americans. They think the answer to everything is the car when actually it's too many cars causing the problems.

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stockers

Jack Armstrong
If you look at Everton's move, however sad it is to leave Goodison, if i were a fan i'd be excited about a beautiful new stadium closer to the city centre in a unique waterfront setting. That ground will become iconic and add a real cache to the club. Why on earth would we decide to spend what you would assume to be a similar amount of money to do precisely the opposite (at Toton). The more i think about it the more confident i am that £500-£750 million is just something Marinarkis just won't spend. We'll still be at the city ground in exactly the same position in 5 years time waiting for the shipping container boxes to arrive..
 

stockers

Jack Armstrong
One question that's been on my mind with the stadium debate is this...

Do we have 50,000 fans?

We know there are approx 20,000 season ticket holders and 11,000 on the waiting list (although this figure will be over inflated as it covers members who automatically get signed up on the list).

We know that all home games sell out, so we sell 27,000 tickets for each home game. There's still around 15,000 to 20,000 fans to find to fill a large stadium. Given the price of Premier League tickets, would we actually fill it week in/week out; we're not a large city compared to London, Birmingham, Leeds or Manchester. Surrounding cities have obviously got their own clubs.

I know we've got fans across the world and there are lots of fans who watch and listen across the country, but would we actually fill a large stadium week in/week out, not just against the big clubs, but at home against Bournemouth, a Luton type club etc.

Considering that 5 years ago, attendance at a bang average Championship match would be 25,000, have we got double that amount of fans willing to pay and fill a large stadium?
Especially given the number of people who would give up going if we moved to Toton..
 

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
Do we have 50,000 fans?
We've got about 15000 who will be there no matter what.

Another 8000 who will turn up when things are going well, 3000 away fans and another 4000 who are Premier League only fans.

Of course, in reality it means that the 4000 is doubled to 8000 at the cost of the 15000 die hards.

So that's 30000

Then the club tells us they have a waiting list of 11000, that's 41000.

Throw in a bit of success on the pitch and we could get another 10000 waiting to go on the waiting list.

It's going to look pretty empty when there are 15000 of us crammed in to watch a League 1 game against Rotherham.
 

Shearstone

Misses the champ
We've got about 15000 who will be there no matter what.

Another 8000 who will turn up when things are going well, 3000 away fans and another 4000 who are Premier League only fans.

Of course, in reality it means that the 4000 is doubled to 8000 at the cost of the 15000 die hards.

So that's 30000

Then the club tells us they have a waiting list of 11000, that's 41000.

Throw in a bit of success on the pitch and we could get another 10000 waiting to go on the waiting list.

It's going to look pretty empty when there are 15000 of us crammed in to watch a League 1 game against Rotherham.
The 11,000 signed up for a season ticket at The City Ground though, it won't be that number who take up a season ticket in Toton. It will be at most 10,999 cos I'm on the list and I'm not bloody going there
 
You don't need to fill it week in week out, 7 to 8 matches of 45k plus against the cartel, can always offer more away tickets for these.

And 35k-ish for the 'smaller' clubs.

If you look at the average attendances vs the stadium capacities throughout the Premier league, the difference is around 2 to 3k at most so they all run at full capacity more or less.



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While I was at work today listening to a very informative presentation regarding mental health week I may have let my mind wander a bit and decided to look at the proposal of rotating the City Ground thru 90 degrees. The good news is, we can have a 47.5k stadium with minimal disruption, the bad news is I didn't really take much of the presentation on board... and the Trent End may now be in the Trent.

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Come on Cartledge get your finger out.... I really don't know what all the fuss is about - turns out you just need Google maps, the snip tool and a bit of a vivid imagination
Ha ha, love it, proper cut-n-shut job.
 
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