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The Defence

Malwood

Geoff Thomas
Top Number One priority for me this offseason is to sort out the defence. We have players that we all think are good, but yet still concede loads of goals and our set-piece record is a well-known embarrassment.

What should be done about this? Who is our best centre-back partnership? Are our full-backs too attack-minded? Or is the problem lack of cover in front of the back four?

Someone tell me how we can be better at the back next season, please......?
 

football post

I'm still here Crewton
Cashin - He's worth 5 million pounds you know.

Well he was before promotion, it's probably 50 now.
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Notcher

Stuart Pearce
Actually the defence isn't as bad as we perceive. We were giving fewer opportunities than most teams in the league. The chances we did allow we also high in difficulty which means we've not allowed too many easy chances.
It's the set piece issue which has absolutely killed us, that's what needs sorting out.

However, I do think we need another experienced centre back. The difference when Boly plays is night and day but unfortunately he picks up injuries a lot so we have to bring another one in ensure Murillo and Andy O have that experience alongside them.
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
We're short on numbers back there. I really like the Murillo/Boly partnership, but in an ideal world will being someone in to really push Boly. Hopefully we get another year from Murillo too...

What we need also depends on the system we intend to play: so much of that is tied up with MGW's future I believe.
 

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
We need good players who can stay fit then keep those players together so consistancy will breed confidence. Last season I doubt we had two consecutive games with the same defence.

We already have some decent players, so no need for another all out purchasing madhouse.
 

youreds1986

Geoff Thomas
Whether Murillo stays or goes, the first priority this summer has to be a big horrible bastard at CB. We need someone that's only interested in heading and kicking anything in sight and will bollock those around him that don't do the same.

That would fix a whole host of our problems. We then have a good set of other defenders to slot around a new defensive leader whether that's a three or four at the back system.
 

Davie

Geoff Thomas
Whether Murillo stays or goes, the first priority this summer has to be a big horrible bastard at CB. We need someone that's only interested in heading and kicking anything in sight and will bollock those around him that don't do the same.

That would fix a whole host of our problems. We then have a good set of other defenders to slot around a new defensive leader whether that's a three or four at the back system.

Agreed. It's the one shining light of losing Murillo. We'll lose the joy of watching him play, but we may just benefit from bringing in a PL experienced bruiser who'll head bricks out the box when chucked at him.
 

Red Echo

Youth Team
3 or 4 years older than Neco and not any better?

Pass.
I'll probably get pelters for saying this, as there has been quite a love-in for Neco this season - but I don't think he's good enough for anything more than a relegation standard team.

He works very hard and I like that about him, but the team just seems to lose more often than not whenever he starts. I don't think he's defensively strong enough, as he offers nothing against physical or aerial play in our box.

The general stats are rough:

Williams
22/23 PL
20 starts
W4 D4 L12 (20% win rate)

23/24 PL
18 starts
W3 D5 L10 (16.6% win rate)

Aurier
22/23 PL
22 starts
W7 D9 L6 (31.8% win rate, massive difference in loss rate)

23/24 PL
4 starts
W2 D0 L2 (50% win rate)

Montiel
23/24 PL
8 starts
W4 D1 L3 (50% win rate)

Granted that those Aurier and Montiel sample sizes for the 23/24 season are small, but if they had started more games I think we probably would've won more games, even though the eye test (with Montiel at least) said otherwise.

I haven't checked if there was any overlap in these games (e.g Williams at LB and Montiel at RB), but I don't think there will be much.

I think Forest need to sign a couple of top quality wing-backs this summer.
 

RedKez

A. Trialist
Our XGc and shots faced its near the best in the division. It really is set pieces in particular which have hurt us. Concede 10 less goals from set pieces and our season it's transformed somewhat.

For me I don't think it's therefore needing an overhaul at all. The risk of Murillo leaving is obviously high which does make a big difference though, and given we've lost quite a few full backs we do really need one more.

Full backs. Aina & Williams first choice. Toffolo back-up, could use one more back-up. With Aina and Williams being able to play both sides it's less important if left or right sided

Centre backs. Murillo & Niakhate left sided, Boly & Omabadadelle. We obviously have McKenna, Felipe and likely worrall & Panzo leaving. Yates could play at a push. Now we know boly has injuries but the other 3 aren't known for it historically so it's not an absolute must if Murillo did stay to sign another but i suspect we'll want at least one more to give us more flexibility to play 3 at the back as an option.
 
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