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Steve Cooper will always be the MAN!

It’s simple. Which side of the fence are you on?

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Cloughie1975

John Robertson
Statto said:
Davies II vs Mcleish, though the Mcleish era is one which most necessarily would have been eviscerated from memory because it was so short, so shite, and futile because we already had a better manager. We almost made the play offs the last day of that season and were only just outside them when he got sacked.

I would say also that Warburton after Montanier and indeed Karanka after Warburton were obvious improvements as well, though that Montanier/Warburton season was a bit strange, we scored and conceded loads as well as loads of Bertie reds so matches could easily go either way with the odd goal from 5/6, and ultimately we were quite close to going down when it mattered having not spent any time at all in the bottom 3 during the course of the season. But then on the other hand there was an obvious improvement under MW even though we could never defend under him either, we looked less chaotic but at the same time ended up being lower down in the league. But the Karanka time was a definite improvement - we brought in a lot of players in both windows but it was better than silly little Scottish boys like cumdog and fanny mckay which MW got in, and players like Lolley and Grabban who took us to the next level and made us largely more a top half/play off contending side save for a season under Hughton. In terms of improvement on league position the Lamouchi season was definitely progression on the Karanka/O'Neill season too, though I don't think Lamouchi was an improvement on O'Neill, but then I think it's clear he was an interim.

I think aside from Hughton every Marinakis appointment has been an improvement on the other, and you can see easily why they did go for Hughton, it just didn't work out here. Although there are other examples such as the above where a manager has been an improvement on the predecessor, the ones you have provided are clearly the most obvious.

Calderwood is a funny one though, and perhaps other than Hart in for Platt the only one of the Doughty era which was actually progressive save for Davies in for Calderwood. Actually I think that season we were showing signs of improving towards the end of the Calderwood era. Having Lee Camp and that other lad we loaned (Carl Fletcher I think) in mf was experience in what was largely a young squad anyway with not much CH experience - that 1-1 with Derby, and actually the City cup game and Norwich win were under Pemberton as caretaker, though Billy took us to the next level he was backed well with players. Indeed, though, Earnshaw whose goals were key was a Calderwood signing. I think if we'd not twisted there we would have stayed up but not as easily and definitely not 2 play off finishes in the seasons after.

It's interesting how many appointments have been a step down though especially in the Doughty and Fawaz eras, or more an equivalence.
We had the whole Hart - Kinnear - Megson sketch, and whilst Kinnear did a short term job and gets a fair amount of unfair stick on here, he did turn it around initially and wasn't backed. That 2nd half of the season we had Louis-Jean still at the club and Williams and the plan was clearly for Evo to win it, give it to Williams who did something with it and drove us on, Commons turned out to be a decent signing but not used much initially, and there was all the talk about Reidy and Daws, we had to play kids who weren't good enough liek Robertson, and I doubt Kinnear had envisaged that level of squad investment coupled with the ST publicity. Megson was simply an unmitigated disaster who should have been nowhere near the club to begin with. Then we had the whole Davies - McClaren - Cotterill sketch where again the replacements got worse.

Fazza started well with SOD then ended up McLeish (crap) then Davies II (OK until he went mental) then Psycho (crap but hard to say so because he was a club legend) then Dougie (about the same level but did klopp all either and isn't liked for succeeding Psycho) then we ended up with Monty (almost took us down).
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I agree with most of that-but I think we would have gone down with Calderwood.
The 2-4 home reverse against Doncaster over Christmas (his final game) had relegation written all over it.
 
Eddie Yates

Eddie Yates

Steve Chettle
Apollo11 said:
I don't disagree with what you are saying, he is a breathe of fresh air for Forest and what he has achieved shouldn't be dismissed and there is definitely no need for any reset now or in the near future, apologies if that is how my post came across.

But the way I am reading some of the comments is that no matter what he shouldn't be going because of what he has achieved and there is nobody more suitable is just not a correct or realistic way of thinking in my opinion. Coopers ability ceiling and Forests(and their fans) ceiling of what they want to achieve shouldn't align, the teams(and fans) should always surpass the managers. Cooper is still getting to grips though with the Premierleague (I think some of your fans are comparing comments to when you were in the championship), nobody knows what his ceiling at this moment so until its obvious he's reached that the club should stick with him (unless something drastic happens).



You have nothing to apologise about and you are right, I do support a more stable club which is well run (now). Between 1990 and 2010 the team was a laughing stock though and was a complete shambles, they weren't far off bankruptcy back in 2010.

I understand the loyalty towards Cooper as Forest should never have been where they were for the last 20 odd years, but not to the detriment of falling back to the appalling winless football a lot of you have seen over the years. If that would happen I am sure the same people would say it was bad management sticking with him and now the club has dropped down to the Championship(or whatever the outcome).

All that said I don't want Cooper out, I have said in one of my original posts I have a connection to the team and the city and I enjoy seeing how they are doing and he is a big part of it.
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What team do ya support Appollo
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Cloughie1975 said:
I agree with most of that-but I think we would have gone down with Calderwood.
The 2-4 home reverse against Doncaster over Christmas (his final game) had relegation written all over it.
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I think it would have been close but we probably would have just about been OK.

Early on in the season we had quite a lot of defeats - 3 in a row then a draw then 4 in a row starting late August with the 5-1 at Wolves then we drew 1-1 with Ipswich and lost to Cardiff. That's a run of 2 points in 10 matches until the end of October.

The next game was a 2-1 win vs Palace which I think was Camp's debut, and until that Doncaster match we only lost 3 from 12.

That Doncaster match was a bit of a fluke as well, don't forget we only had 3 subs to make then, Wilson went off after 20 injured then he brought on Bennett and Tyson at HT before Bennett broke (and I'm not sure played for us again) after 5 mins, meaning we had to play the 2nd half with 10 men after 2 players weren't taken off tactically.

But that improved form had taken us ultimately from 24th to 22nd and winning the next game ultimately took us out of the bottom 3 which was (other than the last one) Calderwood's games.
 
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Cloughie1975

John Robertson
Statto said:
I think it would have been close but we probably would have just about been OK.

Early on in the season we had quite a lot of defeats - 3 in a row then a draw then 4 in a row starting late August with the 5-1 at Wolves then we drew 1-1 with Ipswich and lost to Cardiff. That's a run of 2 points in 10 matches until the end of October.

The next game was a 2-1 win vs Palace which I think was Camp's debut, and until that Doncaster match we only lost 3 from 12.

That Doncaster match was a bit of a fluke as well, don't forget we only had 3 subs to make then, Wilson went off after 20 injured then he brought on Bennett and Tyson at HT before Bennett broke (and I'm not sure played for us again) after 5 mins, meaning we had to play the 2nd half with 10 men after 2 players weren't taken off tactically.

But that improved form had taken us ultimately from 24th to 22nd and winning the next game ultimately took us out of the bottom 3 which was (other than the last one) Calderwood's games.
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You obviously had more faith than me,Statto.
 
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Apollo11

First Team Squad
Harvey said:
I'm interested to know why as a Liverpool fan you post on here?

Genuine question BTW! I dislike the club you support intensely but I've never once wanted to post on any Liverpool forums
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I live here now so Forest is part of my every day life. I love this city and have a soft spot for the team as well which is why I quite like posting on here, been a reader of the forum even longer than I've posted.

Living here as well I want my lad to support Forest, he'll get that feeling of supporting his local team and watching them week in week out which you can't beat.

Eddie Yates said:
Are you from Liverpool?
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I am indeed,moved here few years ago for work and stayed.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Cloughie1975 said:
You obviously had more faith than me,Statto.
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Maybe

There were signs we were getting better. Getting Lee Camp in clearly did help - and having to rely on Smith for the rest of the season and Iain Turner on loan from Everton didn't really help much with that - there were 2 spells where we lost 3 in a row under Davies and dropped back into the drop zone, we actually only ended up out of it much nearer to the end of the season though we were close on points.

there were rumours at the time Davies didn't like Camp, from when they were both at D*rby, but events proved otherwise; though I think had Calderwood been in charge through the window, he would have probably got Camp on loan for the rest of the season, instead of simply waiting to sign him permanently at the end.

I think in a sense that season mirrored last really. We went up, tried to be as we were, and struggled to acclimatise but got better eventually and managed to not go down again.

Would we have done that with Calderwood? Who knows, it didn't happen so it's not possible to know for sure. But I think Davies got more out of the players and made it less close than it would have been without him. And I don't think we would have been anywhere near the top 6 if we hadn't gone for Davies the season after.
 
BryanRoy22

BryanRoy22

Ian Bowyer
trentside69 said:
It's mainly man u fans in the smoke always has been
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As someone who grew up in London schools, I can honestly say it was mainly Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man United and Spurs but it was never just overwhelmingly United. I grew up with Everton fans who were London born and I still keep in contact with them (they still support Everton). When Forest were a decent team in the late 80s and very early 90s, there were even some borderline Forest supporters. I remember a girl in primary school in the playground suddenly shouting out 'Who's the best team, Forest or Liverpool? If you think Forest, go to the right of my skipping rope. If you think Liverpool, go to the left of my skipping rope'. That's a big question for a young London female to come out with.

Forest weren't strangers to Londoners in those days. In major cities, there will always be people who latch on to well performing teams.
 
Rockabilly

Rockabilly

GAFF LAD. "Open your knees and feel the breeze"
BryanRoy22 said:
As someone who grew up in London schools, I can honestly say it was mainly Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man United and Spurs but it was never just overwhelmingly United. I grew up with Everton fans who were London born and I still keep in contact with them (they still support Everton). When Forest were a decent team in the late 80s and very early 90s, there were even some borderline Forest supporters. I remember a girl in primary school in the playground suddenly shouting out 'Who's the best team, Forest or Liverpool? If you think Forest, go to the right of my skipping rope. If you think Liverpool, go to the left of my skipping rope'. That's a big question for a young London female to come out with.

Forest weren't strangers to Londoners in those days. In major cities, there will always be people who latch on to well performing teams.
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Great story Bryan. 👍
 
congo_red_49

congo_red_49

Ale Ape
I grew up in Beeston - junior school was pretty much evenly split between Forest fans and plastic Scousers who had never even been north of Arnold. I think there was one Man Utd fan and one Notts County.
Then as I went up through the years the plastic Scousers seemed to change allegiance to a mix of Arsenal and Man Utd.
 
Bonfy177

Bonfy177

LTLF MORON
Sunlun and Liverpoo when I was at school, there’s a reason my nose is as out of shape as I was a stubborn little bugger.

“Who do ya stick up for” that was the feared question when I was a lad.
 
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Cloughie1975

John Robertson
congo_red said:
I grew up in Beeston - junior school was pretty much evenly split between Forest fans and plastic Scousers who had never even been north of Arnold. I think there was one Man Utd fan and one Notts County.
Then as I went up through the years the plastic Scousers seemed to change allegiance to a mix of Arsenal and Man Utd.
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I worked in London for a year during the late 1970’s glory era.
I was returning home from work one evening when I passed two young lads playing football
in the street wearing Forest shirts.
The power of success!
 
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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
Got respect for any scousers who support Liverpool why wouldnt you. Its the Tim's from Oxford or Steve from Exeter who support them I just cant be dealing with. Also anyone from Nottingham with no family connections to Liverpool are horrendous. Thats why football is fecked its become about glory supporting and not localism.
 
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