Steve Cooper will always be the MAN!

[Gyros Peter]

This year's Luton is last year's Bournemouth, although we lost that one. Progress!

 

[chaospunx]

Even man city lose and draw games there not expected too the reaction to Luton is entitlement simple as that and that's something supporters of our team should never have given where we have been for so long

 

[Otis Redding]

Palace reserves he says while completing ignoring Forest's massive injury list

C'mon Eddie, don't let mere facts get in the way of Omar having a pop. It probably took him hours to come up with that one.

 

[congo_red_49]

If anyone feels like scrolling back aways - this time last year everyone had written us off as relegation certainties and likely to beat Derby's 11 points as the lowest ever Premier League total.
People who are frustrated with the pace of the progress might have a point - but it would be very wrong to state that there is no progress.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

Even man city lose and draw games there not expected too the reaction to Luton is entitlement simple as that and that's something supporters of our team should never have given where we have been for so long

It’s not entitlement when it’s a regular occurrence. As I have said there isn’t one game in the premier league we have had where we have won convincely. Most clubs have at least a couple of those. Luton was a culmination of feeling over our premier league tenure. I am cooper in by the way but the criticisms are valid and not entitled.

 

[chaospunx]

It’s not entitlement when it’s a regular occurrence. As I have said there isn’t one game in the premier league we have had where we have won convincely. Most clubs have at least a couple of those. Luton was a culmination of feeling over our premier league tenure. I am cooper in by the way but the criticisms are valid and not entitled.

The criticism and frustration is fine I was as frustrated as anyone walking out the ground its the way it gets carried on and all the drama that follows ahit happens have to get over it and move forward

 

[PlayedOnGrass]

I guess a lot of this is aimed at me for my temerity to mention that EM may be looking at alternatives to Cooper - just repeating something I was told by people (not sources) who don't get much stuff wrong.
As mentioned in several posts - I am a big fan of Cooper and hope he is given the time to get it right. He badly needs a win and Villa on Sunday would be a good time to start

 

[congo_red_49]

As I have said there isn’t one game in the premier league we have had where we have won convincely.

It doesn't come as a surprise to me that we haven't, realistically.
It's no secret to anyone that we sacrificed possession and territory to pretty much everyone we played last season - because Cooper knew, and was proved right, that doing so was the best chance of survival with the players we were able to get into the club. Playing that way obviously doesn't result in dominating games or running of big scores and it never will. Transitioning to a more progressive style and still getting results in the short term simply doesn't work - but we must make that change to improve our future prospects. We will get convincing results, but as I said, I'm not surprised they haven't come yet.

 

[chaospunx]

It’s not entitlement when it’s a regular occurrence. As I have said there isn’t one game in the premier league we have had where we have won convincely. Most clubs have at least a couple of those. Luton was a culmination of feeling over our premier league tenure. I am cooper in by the way but the criticisms are valid and not entitled.

It wasn't regular at all last year apart from fulham and Bournemouth we won every game we needed too and results too where not expected (Liverpool, City, arsenal) most under insane pressure people have short memories

 

[Harvey]

Even man city lose and draw games there not expected too the reaction to Luton is entitlement simple as that and that's something supporters of our team should never have given where we have been for so long

I don't think it's entitlement to expect us to be able to see out a two goal lead at home to a newly promoted side with 15 minutes to go though

It's the manner of the result that was so frustrating

 

[Apollo11]

To completely dismiss a new manager as not suitable is bonkers. All you have to do is look at the first few pages of this thread when Cooper was mentioned to see he was dismissed by people now saying he's the best thing that has happened to Forest.

You could probably apply the same logic about the team being in League One without Cooper on the bench to Marinakis if he hadn't took over.

What is to say the next manager wont be better and bleed Forest as much? Take Brighton as an example and the transition from Potter to De Zerbi to see that some times change can be for the best.

I'm not saying Cooper should be changed, I like the guy and think he's a good manager albeit with limitations at the moment. Once it clicks for him and the team you'll fly up the table whether its this year or next, but I don't understand the complete blind loyalty for a manager when its the team that matters more than any player, manager or owner.

 

[Erik]

That Luton game has really rocked the fanbase hasn't it.

One win and Cooper will be the messiah again.

I don't think it did in so much as it gave the malcontents and shit stirrers something to hang their hat on and spread as much discontent amongst the wider fanbase as they could, in which they have largely been successful.

 

[chaospunx]

I don't think it's entitlement to expect us to be able to see out a two goal lead at home to a newly promoted side with 15 minutes to go though

It's the manner of the result that was so frustrating

Agreed but these things do happen from time to time its the way it's spun since then and the massive over reaction or in my eyes it is anyway but as said 3 points Sunday and let's move forward

 

[congo_red_49]

I don't understand the complete blind loyalty for a manager when its the team that matters more than any player, manager or owner.

I don't think it's blind loyalty - it comes from a place of seeing Cooper do things differently than the previous occupants of his office. Putting the team before his ego, understanding the need to build team spirit, loyalty and massage modern players egos, instead of bellowing words that go in one ear and out the other, seeing him constantly push players to improve not just replace them.
Things have trended upwards every day since he cam in the door, why throw that away for a hard reset now?

 

[Erik]

but I don't understand the complete blind loyalty for a manager when its the team that matters more than any player, manager or owner.

Don't take this the wrong way, but from what I understand you don't support Forest but another more successful, well run and stable club.

That being the case, without any malice, I would not expect you to understand loyalty to a man who turned 25 years of mismanagement, appalling winless football and supporting your club being a chore rather than a joy on it's head in the space of 8 months and then defied expectation to do it again a year later.

There are even people on here who have previously been utterly ruthless showing loyalty to Cooper. It's been a remarkable turn around and until you have lived it I am sorry, i just don't see you getting it.

Apologies if I have you wrong.

 

[Erik]

Very different circumstances though.

Expectations are different this season, you can see that just be looking at the atmosphere at the CG this season. With the money spent the supporters are expecting us to beat poorer teams at home and I'm sure EM feels the same way.

Last season was a 'stay up at all costs' season. Forget the style, forget how many players it takes, just stay up. This season is about building and if the big man can't see improvements then it's curtains for Cooper.

Is that what you want?

 

[Erik]

Very different circumstances though.

Expectations are different this season, you can see that just be looking at the atmosphere at the CG this season. With the money spent the supporters are expecting us to beat poorer teams at home and I'm sure EM feels the same way.

Last season was a 'stay up at all costs' season. Forget the style, forget how many players it takes, just stay up. This season is about building and if the big man can't see improvements then it's curtains for Cooper.

I think you, and many others, underestimate Marinakis. I think last season was a shock to everyone on the pitch, but an even bigger shock off it. The reason I can think that without speculation is because of the number of backroom appointments we are now making to help provide the club with a Premier League set up off the pitch as well as on it.

I think, on the evidence of last season when he stood by Cooper, that Marinakis will not judge him as harshly as you seem to want him to until such time as he can point to a Premier league club having a Premier League set up and backroom team requiring a Premier League manager.

People use Brighton as an example for Forest - They didn't do it overnight, it took them about 4 years of just staying up before they got to where they are now - And they weren't having to rectify being the worst run club in the country for the 25 years prior to being promoted.

 

[Monkman]

Is that what you want?

He's clearly not willing to say, presumably because he won't be able to back up his position (whatever it is) without contradicting himself.

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

Don't take this the wrong way, but from what I understand you don't support Forest but another more successful, well run and stable club.

That being the case, without any malice, I would not expect you to understand loyalty to a man who turned 25 years of mismanagement, appalling winless football and supporting your club being a chore rather than a joy on it's head in the space of 8 months and then defied expectation to do it again a year later.

There are even people on here who have been utterly ruthless showing loyalty to Cooper. It's been a remarkable turn around and until you have lived it I am sorry, i just don't see you getting it.

Apologies if I have you wrong.

He does have a point, though.

There seem like a large number of posters with the viewpoint of "this is better than it's been in my lifetime, this'll do. I don't need it to be any better, thank you very much".

And there are some posts on here that want to stick with Coops no matter what, even if that's a trip back to the badlands (I guess that's the blind loyalty reference).

But if you dare to suggest that the big fella might not actually share the viewpoint of "this'll do" ...

 

[congo_red_49]

People use Brighton as an example for Forest - They didn't do it overnight, it took them about 4 years of just staying up before they got to where they are now - And they weren't having to rectify being the worst run club in the country for the 25 years prior to being promoted.

To be fair to Brighton, they did recover from being run terribly between 1987 and 1997. Took them about 20 years of competent decisions to look like the club we see today though.

 

[congo_red_49]

He does have a point, though.

There seem like a large number of posters with the viewpoint of "this is better than it's been in my lifetime, this'll do. I don't need it to be any better, thank you very much".

And there are some posts on here that want to stick with Coops no matter what, even if that's a trip back to the badlands (I guess that's the blind loyalty reference).

But if you dare to suggest that the big fella might not actually share the viewpoint of "this'll do" ...

Is it really a case of "this'll do" or "I'm more confident that we'll continue improving without a change of manager"?

 

[Monkman]

There seem like a large number of posters with the viewpoint of "this is better than it's been in my lifetime, this'll do. I don't need it to be any better, thank you very much".

I can't think of anyone who's said that. The majority opinion is that Cooper is better placed than any realistic new manager to move Forest forwards (to being an established PL team) in the short and mid term.

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

Is it really a case of "this'll do" or "I'm more confident that we'll continue improving without a change of manager"?

Probably a bit of both.

But if you're going for (the guesswork of) "I'm more confident that we'll continue improving without a change of manager" then I don't think you should slate (the guesswork of) "the big man's not happy ...".

 

[congo_red_49]

Probably a bit of both.

But if you're going for (the guesswork of) "I'm more confident that we'll continue improving without a change of manager" then I don't think you should slate (the guesswork of) "the big man's not happy ...".

I haven't slated anyone and my personal 'feeling' for something that hasn't happened yet can only ever be guesswork as no-one can see the future.

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

I can't think of anyone who's said that. The majority opinion is that Cooper is better placed than any realistic new manager to move Forest forwards (to being an established PL team) in the short and mid term.

"This'll do".