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This year's Luton is last year's Bournemouth, although we lost that one. Progress!
C'mon Eddie, don't let mere facts get in the way of Omar having a pop. It probably took him hours to come up with that one.Palace reserves he says while completing ignoring Forest's massive injury list
It’s not entitlement when it’s a regular occurrence. As I have said there isn’t one game in the premier league we have had where we have won convincely. Most clubs have at least a couple of those. Luton was a culmination of feeling over our premier league tenure. I am cooper in by the way but the criticisms are valid and not entitled.Even man city lose and draw games there not expected too the reaction to Luton is entitlement simple as that and that's something supporters of our team should never have given where we have been for so long
The criticism and frustration is fine I was as frustrated as anyone walking out the ground its the way it gets carried on and all the drama that follows ahit happens have to get over it and move forwardIt’s not entitlement when it’s a regular occurrence. As I have said there isn’t one game in the premier league we have had where we have won convincely. Most clubs have at least a couple of those. Luton was a culmination of feeling over our premier league tenure. I am cooper in by the way but the criticisms are valid and not entitled.
It doesn't come as a surprise to me that we haven't, realistically.As I have said there isn’t one game in the premier league we have had where we have won convincely.
It wasn't regular at all last year apart from fulham and Bournemouth we won every game we needed too and results too where not expected (Liverpool, City, arsenal) most under insane pressure people have short memoriesIt’s not entitlement when it’s a regular occurrence. As I have said there isn’t one game in the premier league we have had where we have won convincely. Most clubs have at least a couple of those. Luton was a culmination of feeling over our premier league tenure. I am cooper in by the way but the criticisms are valid and not entitled.
I don't think it's entitlement to expect us to be able to see out a two goal lead at home to a newly promoted side with 15 minutes to go thoughEven man city lose and draw games there not expected too the reaction to Luton is entitlement simple as that and that's something supporters of our team should never have given where we have been for so long
I don't think it did in so much as it gave the malcontents and shit stirrers something to hang their hat on and spread as much discontent amongst the wider fanbase as they could, in which they have largely been successful.That Luton game has really rocked the fanbase hasn't it.
One win and Cooper will be the messiah again.
Agreed but these things do happen from time to time its the way it's spun since then and the massive over reaction or in my eyes it is anyway but as said 3 points Sunday and let's move forwardI don't think it's entitlement to expect us to be able to see out a two goal lead at home to a newly promoted side with 15 minutes to go though
It's the manner of the result that was so frustrating
I don't think it's blind loyalty - it comes from a place of seeing Cooper do things differently than the previous occupants of his office. Putting the team before his ego, understanding the need to build team spirit, loyalty and massage modern players egos, instead of bellowing words that go in one ear and out the other, seeing him constantly push players to improve not just replace them.I don't understand the complete blind loyalty for a manager when its the team that matters more than any player, manager or owner.
Don't take this the wrong way, but from what I understand you don't support Forest but another more successful, well run and stable club.but I don't understand the complete blind loyalty for a manager when its the team that matters more than any player, manager or owner.
Is that what you want?Very different circumstances though.
Expectations are different this season, you can see that just be looking at the atmosphere at the CG this season. With the money spent the supporters are expecting us to beat poorer teams at home and I'm sure EM feels the same way.
Last season was a 'stay up at all costs' season. Forget the style, forget how many players it takes, just stay up. This season is about building and if the big man can't see improvements then it's curtains for Cooper.
I think you, and many others, underestimate Marinakis. I think last season was a shock to everyone on the pitch, but an even bigger shock off it. The reason I can think that without speculation is because of the number of backroom appointments we are now making to help provide the club with a Premier League set up off the pitch as well as on it.Very different circumstances though.
Expectations are different this season, you can see that just be looking at the atmosphere at the CG this season. With the money spent the supporters are expecting us to beat poorer teams at home and I'm sure EM feels the same way.
Last season was a 'stay up at all costs' season. Forget the style, forget how many players it takes, just stay up. This season is about building and if the big man can't see improvements then it's curtains for Cooper.
He's clearly not willing to say, presumably because he won't be able to back up his position (whatever it is) without contradicting himself.Is that what you want?
He does have a point, though.Don't take this the wrong way, but from what I understand you don't support Forest but another more successful, well run and stable club.
That being the case, without any malice, I would not expect you to understand loyalty to a man who turned 25 years of mismanagement, appalling winless football and supporting your club being a chore rather than a joy on it's head in the space of 8 months and then defied expectation to do it again a year later.
There are even people on here who have been utterly ruthless showing loyalty to Cooper. It's been a remarkable turn around and until you have lived it I am sorry, i just don't see you getting it.
Apologies if I have you wrong.
To be fair to Brighton, they did recover from being run terribly between 1987 and 1997. Took them about 20 years of competent decisions to look like the club we see today though.People use Brighton as an example for Forest - They didn't do it overnight, it took them about 4 years of just staying up before they got to where they are now - And they weren't having to rectify being the worst run club in the country for the 25 years prior to being promoted.
Is it really a case of "this'll do" or "I'm more confident that we'll continue improving without a change of manager"?He does have a point, though.
There seem like a large number of posters with the viewpoint of "this is better than it's been in my lifetime, this'll do. I don't need it to be any better, thank you very much".
And there are some posts on here that want to stick with Coops no matter what, even if that's a trip back to the badlands (I guess that's the blind loyalty reference).
But if you dare to suggest that the big fella might not actually share the viewpoint of "this'll do" ...
I can't think of anyone who's said that. The majority opinion is that Cooper is better placed than any realistic new manager to move Forest forwards (to being an established PL team) in the short and mid term.There seem like a large number of posters with the viewpoint of "this is better than it's been in my lifetime, this'll do. I don't need it to be any better, thank you very much".
Probably a bit of both.Is it really a case of "this'll do" or "I'm more confident that we'll continue improving without a change of manager"?
I haven't slated anyone and my personal 'feeling' for something that hasn't happened yet can only ever be guesswork as no-one can see the future.Probably a bit of both.
But if you're going for (the guesswork of) "I'm more confident that we'll continue improving without a change of manager" then I don't think you should slate (the guesswork of) "the big man's not happy ...".
"This'll do".I can't think of anyone who's said that. The majority opinion is that Cooper is better placed than any realistic new manager to move Forest forwards (to being an established PL team) in the short and mid term.