Standard of Referees
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Robertson
Grenville Morris
Also satnav
Ian Moore Gone Little
Viv Anderson
My cricket captain was in a dilemma the other day because he couldn’t look at both his WhatsApp poll of who was available and the draft WhatsApp message he was going to announce the selected team in. A couple of team-mates suggested there was an app he could use (but it seems he didn’t have it). Being now officially the team’s token old git, I replied that in the olden days we had pens and scraps of paper and in approximately 10 seconds I could have jotted down the initials of those selected and then gone back into WhatsApp to type the names up and hit Send. My suggestion got neither a comment nor any emojis by way of response, possibly because I added a sarcastic comment to the effect that it was a good job those primitive times were behind us. Oh, and as a long-serving former captain I might have added my standard “wouldn’t have happened in my day” comment too.
So never mind the inability to use a map, it seems these days people are losing the ability to use pen and paper…
bearwood red
First Team Squad
If the VAR can’t determine that it is offside without drawing lines, then it should be judged on side. Not only quicker, but fairer. How much advantage has an attacker gained from their shoulder being 3cm ahead of the defender?
I also think it would be far simpler to do away with the interfering with play rules. The only exception being a clearly injured player cannot be offside.
On handballs, again, it all needs simplifying. Does the ref think a player has deliberately played the ball with their hand or not? Get rid of all this nonsense around unnatural position, proximity etc. Those concepts should be a guide to help referees assess intent, not laws in their own right.
Other fouls are always going to be subjective and don’t see any alternative to the current approach re. ‘clear and obvious’ error, although do wish that high bar was applied consistently.
I used to favour the coaches review idea. But I’m not convinced it is necessary or desirable in football.
I also think it would be far simpler to do away with the interfering with play rules. The only exception being a clearly injured player cannot be offside.
On handballs, again, it all needs simplifying. Does the ref think a player has deliberately played the ball with their hand or not? Get rid of all this nonsense around unnatural position, proximity etc. Those concepts should be a guide to help referees assess intent, not laws in their own right.
Other fouls are always going to be subjective and don’t see any alternative to the current approach re. ‘clear and obvious’ error, although do wish that high bar was applied consistently.
I used to favour the coaches review idea. But I’m not convinced it is necessary or desirable in football.
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
Unless they have a sensor in the ball to accurately define when exactly it was kicked AND video quality with enough frames per second to isolate that exact moment, then judging offsides by such small margins is ludicrous.
Ian Moore Gone Little
Viv Anderson
I’m pretty sure the benefit of the doubt always used to go to the attacking team in bygone years, ie if it’s not clearly offside (“in the opinion of the referee”, as I seem to recall the Laws used to say), then it was deemed to be onside. So I like the idea that if you need lines you call it onside, along with the one mentioned several times elsewhere that if you can’t decide definitely within 30 seconds the referee’s decision stands. The simpler, the better, the quicker…
Satnav is the ultimate Catfisher. Makes you believe you can trust taking directions from a woman and then one day you ask your wife and end up in the Trent.
Barry
Where's me hammer?
Offside used to be if any part of you is level you are on, it should have never changed
Berkshire Red
Jack Burkitt
You'd take away their ability to be subjective and perform the obligatory badge check. It'll never happen.
The big problem with VAR is assuming it provides the solution to all issues.
Goal line technology is factual so can be trusted.
However, VAR is used to ‘resolve’ other match events which are often differences of opinion ie subjective. The lack of consistency is arguably the biggest gripe of supporters.
In addition, there is still a presumption that VAR. technology is sound but it isn’t, notably for offsides. It has been suggested this week that the error is 2 to 3 cm (about an inch) using semi-automated offside technology. Even this error is disregarded when decisions are taken.
Sadly, there are unintended consequences from the use of VAR. The two key problems here are related - officials leaving it to VAR, and VAR officials who will not criticise their colleagues because their roles may be reversed later in the season.
Then there are the issues of time taken to reach decisions, and keeping spectators informed.
Finally having six officials now involved in decision taking (three match officials, fourth official, plus Var and his assistant) is a classic case of too many cooks.
PGMOL has shown itself unable to address consistency of decision taking. Surely this is a priority.
Sadly PGMOL is too concerned with telling us how good they are rather than focussing on improvement.
Goal line technology is factual so can be trusted.
However, VAR is used to ‘resolve’ other match events which are often differences of opinion ie subjective. The lack of consistency is arguably the biggest gripe of supporters.
In addition, there is still a presumption that VAR. technology is sound but it isn’t, notably for offsides. It has been suggested this week that the error is 2 to 3 cm (about an inch) using semi-automated offside technology. Even this error is disregarded when decisions are taken.
Sadly, there are unintended consequences from the use of VAR. The two key problems here are related - officials leaving it to VAR, and VAR officials who will not criticise their colleagues because their roles may be reversed later in the season.
Then there are the issues of time taken to reach decisions, and keeping spectators informed.
Finally having six officials now involved in decision taking (three match officials, fourth official, plus Var and his assistant) is a classic case of too many cooks.
PGMOL has shown itself unable to address consistency of decision taking. Surely this is a priority.
Sadly PGMOL is too concerned with telling us how good they are rather than focussing on improvement.
Autocorrect is for aunts.
I like that for offside
Handball, I'll always advocate a non-subjective (and laughably simple) law:
Ball hits arm (old school arm, none of this t-shirt line bollocks) and you gain or maintain possession or advantage, then it's handball.
I'd be in favour of free kicks in the penalty area for non-DOGSO handballs also
Colin Addison
First Team Squad
What he said
I'm Red Till Dead
Stuart Pearce
I see that there was another instance of a team, before a game, questioning the named referee for their game and something controversial occuring in the game.
Referee should've been nowhere near game - Manning
Referee should've been nowhere near game - Manning
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
Is he a Luton fan too I wonder
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
You would take away half the issues if you had an offside system as flawless as goal-line technology
It makes me want to vomit watching refs take 5 minutes to draw a marginal offside which isn't even factually correct anyway. May as well flip a coin.
It makes me want to vomit watching refs take 5 minutes to draw a marginal offside which isn't even factually correct anyway. May as well flip a coin.
I'm Red Till Dead
Stuart Pearce
Would it help if they put marks on the lines every foot or so you could just use the lines on opposite sides as a starting point? If you made the blobs different colours say red, blue, pink yellow in repeating sequences. It should be easy then to work out proportions on each side of the pitch to put the lines in.
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
It should just be completely automated
That should include informing the linesman live when it’s offside or not
There is enough money in football to make the technology
ubik
Geoff Thomas
Liam Manning: Bristol City boss criticises refereeing appointment for Sheffield United match
Bristol City boss Liam Manning says the club called for referee Oliver Langford to be removed from their Championship play-off game against Sheffield United.
www.bbc.co.uk
Manager slams ref shock!
Fine incoming?
valspoodle
Ian Bowyer
PGMOL appointment policy does seem to rely solely on the conflict of interest criteria. The actual ability of the officials doesn't seem to play a part and the head honcho seems to have the final say.
I suppose they grade the officials ability in very high profile games so that there is likely to be less controversy for the PGMOL to sort out, but apart from that it's just a throw of the dice.
Which of course, does not answer the problems of the Bristol City boss. Much like our problems with the Luton fan on VAR, PGMOL have decided and so all is right with the world.
I suppose they grade the officials ability in very high profile games so that there is likely to be less controversy for the PGMOL to sort out, but apart from that it's just a throw of the dice.
Which of course, does not answer the problems of the Bristol City boss. Much like our problems with the Luton fan on VAR, PGMOL have decided and so all is right with the world.
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
Who is the bastard in the black for tomorrow's clash?
Edit: it's tony Harrington (who he?); Peter Bankes on VAR... and we know what a tosser he is!
Edit: it's tony Harrington (who he?); Peter Bankes on VAR... and we know what a tosser he is!
I'm Red Till Dead
Stuart Pearce
https://www.whoscored.com/referees/147/show/tony-harrington
He was in charge when we played at Everton - booked 4 Everton players, one Forest and our home game against Ipswich where we were given 1 yellow and them 3 plus he gave a penalty against Ipswich.
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
So loads of Foxes hunted to extinction then.
Simple question every ref should asking themselves for every foul (including handball) anywhere on the pitch.
Would I give that as a penalty if it was in the box?
One area I think VAR could help, is for when a player is obviously fouled but doesn’t go down. Shouldn’t take an injury or a player on the floor for it to be a foul. Not talking about small nudges here but the more obvious fouls.
I’d also look to make other things easier for Offside, is there day light between the defender and the attacker.
Other massive change needed is retrospective reviews of players who try to con the officials. claiming injury when fine, clutching face when never touched, blatant diving etc. players get suspended and clubs fined for these things that are more cynical than half the stuff that gets a yellow card these days.
Would I give that as a penalty if it was in the box?
One area I think VAR could help, is for when a player is obviously fouled but doesn’t go down. Shouldn’t take an injury or a player on the floor for it to be a foul. Not talking about small nudges here but the more obvious fouls.
I’d also look to make other things easier for Offside, is there day light between the defender and the attacker.
Other massive change needed is retrospective reviews of players who try to con the officials. claiming injury when fine, clutching face when never touched, blatant diving etc. players get suspended and clubs fined for these things that are more cynical than half the stuff that gets a yellow card these days.
I'm Red Till Dead
Stuart Pearce
Got to ask. How would this work for winter night games.
