Barry
Where's me hammer?
Yep I must have said it at the game to my son two or three times "he's gonna get booked here"
Bizarre he never did
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Bizarre he never did
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valspoodle
Ian Bowyer
Big difference is Matz is our keeper.
Sels could well have had a yellow card against Man Utd but the Villa keeper is on a different level particularly on time wasting - not just on Saturday.
The referee on Saturday was watching him on Saturday for a long time before he eventually lost patience.
Where time wasting is so obvious I have no problem with any player receiving a yellow card whoever they play for. I also have a problem with any official who fails to add adequate time on at the end of either half - the added time in the second half on Saturday (four minutes) was ludicrous with eight in play subs including the Villa substitute who went to shake hands with his captain, Martinez, at the edge of the penalty box before eventually leaving the field. Furthermore Martinez instructed a ball boy not to throw him the ball preferring to walk in a different direction to collect a ball.
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
What bugs me is a ref booking a player for time wasting then ignoring that same player who continues to waste time after being booked.
And a booking for time wasting seems not to be a fitting punishment anyway.
And a booking for time wasting seems not to be a fitting punishment anyway.
Just.
Put.
A.
Clock.
On.
It.
Put.
A.
Clock.
On.
It.
It's not a problem from next year though. The referee is going to count down on his fingers as opposed to either in his head or by using his stopwatch.
If, in the opinion of the referees fingers, the goalkeeper takes more than 8 seconds, then a corner will be given to Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Arsenal or Chelsea.
in all seriousness, the Premier League should borrow from the NFL here; when the ball goes dead in American Football, the team in possession has a limited amount of time to set themselves up and run another play, otherwise they are penalised for delay-of-game, and get a five-yard penalty.
Surely the Premier League can do similar, and insist (for example) that when the ball goes out of play, either behind the touchline, or by the keeper making a save, there is a limited amount of time for the keeper to restart play - so eight seconds or so - and if he takes longer, then its a free kick (or a corner) to the opposing team?
Start doing something like that, and time-wasting by goalkeepers will go away, much as the dreaded „tackle from behind“ did.
Surely the Premier League can do similar, and insist (for example) that when the ball goes out of play, either behind the touchline, or by the keeper making a save, there is a limited amount of time for the keeper to restart play - so eight seconds or so - and if he takes longer, then its a free kick (or a corner) to the opposing team?
Start doing something like that, and time-wasting by goalkeepers will go away, much as the dreaded „tackle from behind“ did.
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
The dreaded tackle from behind is still with us.
Whether it is penalised or allowed is a lottery.
Perhaps a better example then - the pass-back to the goalkeeper, which was outlawed some seasons ago now, in another effort to remove time-wasting?
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
Stop clocks are rubbish, time wasting doesn’t just waste time it changes momentum in games. You will see twice as much time wasting if you introduced stop clocks & would ruin games as a spectacle as teams will be content just to stop teams attacking.
Just reverse the decision when teams time waste, forget this yellow card nonsense. If a keeper wastes time from a goal kick, give a corner. If they do it from a throw in, give it to the other team. By far the best solution if you want to clamp down on time wasting because players won’t take the risk.
Just reverse the decision when teams time waste, forget this yellow card nonsense. If a keeper wastes time from a goal kick, give a corner. If they do it from a throw in, give it to the other team. By far the best solution if you want to clamp down on time wasting because players won’t take the risk.
At what point would you deem that a team (e.g. Forest) is wasting time, and at what point would you deem that a team (e.g. Liverpool at Anfield in front of the Kop) is wasting time?
The trick is to remove the subjectivity from the equation and put a clock on things that involve time.
Rzar
Bob McKinlay
But you can’t ignore the pitfalls of a stop clock
It would ruin games, I don’t want to watch matches where players have free reign to time waste
You have to trust the refs even though they are useless to not be subjective. Reversing decisions is the only solution to time wasting I have heard that’s decent.
YellowBelly Red
Geoff Thomas
Just need the first goalkeeper to be sent off for two bookable time-wasting offence, and it'll stop overnight.
Ian Moore Gone Little
Viv Anderson
I spent most of the promotion season thinking Samba would earn that distinction…
Robertson
Geoff Thomas
More transparency with the added time would go a long way here I think.
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
Kaspar Schmeichel got 2 yellows playing for Leicester against Forest.
the first was for Unsporting Conduct (moving the ball away from the penalty spot after it had been placed there by Lewis McGugan.
The seond was given, also for unsporting behaviour, for time wasting.
Of course, that was not in the Premier League, but there is a precedent.
oobidoobi
First Team Squad
Overly complicating things I know, but a stop clock with 40minute halves with 5mins extra per side that starts immediately the game clock stops. Halves last about the same as they do now.
That way it's literally their own time they're wasting and sanction them if their 5 minutes runs out before the half ends ?
That way it's literally their own time they're wasting and sanction them if their 5 minutes runs out before the half ends ?
Templeton
First Team Squad
The biggest mistake they made time-wasting recently was letting the referee ignore it because it will be added on to the injury time. This doesn't do anything about it. I saw a clip of Mark Clattenburg the other day moaning about this, he was saying refs hate it because all the players know how to 'play the system' in terms of what they can get away with. His idea would be considered extreme, but it would 100% be a deterrent to the teams, and that is to reverse the decision, so if a team is taking ages over a throw-in, it goes to the other team instead. If a goalkeeper takes an age over a goal kick, then it's a corner. It would be anarchy on the pitch for a few weeks but players would soon get the message.
Define "ages"
Without a clock on it it becomes another subjective opinion that will benefit some teams and not others.
adam09
Bob McKinlay
Time wasting is generally a bit of a myth.
Most things take 20 seconds ish. If you play a bit slower like we sometimes do, it's 25-30 seconds. What it really is, is one team wants to go a bit quicker and supposedly the other team has to accommodate that, which I don't think they have to at all.
I watched one Arsenal game and they were taking 30-40 seconds on every corner - then 55 at another and I think it was Rice who was booked. THAT is ages. It was very noticable how slow they were going. They were ready for the corner yet Rice just stood there, begging for a yellow.
What is never mentioned is when refs spend 2 minutes setting up a bloody attacking free kick. It's never added on either.
Most things take 20 seconds ish. If you play a bit slower like we sometimes do, it's 25-30 seconds. What it really is, is one team wants to go a bit quicker and supposedly the other team has to accommodate that, which I don't think they have to at all.
I watched one Arsenal game and they were taking 30-40 seconds on every corner - then 55 at another and I think it was Rice who was booked. THAT is ages. It was very noticable how slow they were going. They were ready for the corner yet Rice just stood there, begging for a yellow.
What is never mentioned is when refs spend 2 minutes setting up a bloody attacking free kick. It's never added on either.
siforest65
Jack Burkitt
I still remember a game at Griffin Park where the paragons of sportsmanship Brentcalona managed to play 8 minutes of added on time with about 30 seconds of actual football.
Templeton
First Team Squad
Easy, ages is however long the opposition take to do something when playing Forest.
As opposed to lightening quick being the time taken by Forest to do anything when winning.
Robertson
Geoff Thomas
Think it was someone on here who suggested that one of the best relatively low risk ways of wasting a couple of minutes towards the end of a game is to give away a freekick about 30 or 40 yards away from your goal. The opposition and officials will spend ages dicking around setting up while you can regroup and refocus. Chances are they won’t score and the time won’t really be added on.
valspoodle
Ian Bowyer
I'm not sure that adding lots of time on because one team or other tends to delay restarts etc. is always the answer.
More than once I remember the opposition scoring a winning goal in the copious added time when they were the team wasting the time!
More than once I remember the opposition scoring a winning goal in the copious added time when they were the team wasting the time!
GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
I thought he got the second for hurling the ball away after the penalty had been scored?