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Captain Sinister

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Also City aren't a team to do much defending nor rely on height as opposed to composure to get out of trouble.

Gvardiol is a ball playing LCB/LCB not there for his height really.
No: it is about his physique and physical presence when he is on the move.
That and he has a great eye for reading the game, plus he can score goals.
 

JonnoSnr

First Team Squad
He could end up being a decent player but you'd have to say it would be worrying if he was signed up (by someone within the club) given generally he's not been trusted in the heat of a relegation battle by the manager.
 

Est.1865

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What’s the option amount, was that every quoted ?

I’d be tempted to keep him around. Long term deal, reasonable fee, u21 still. Might be worth the investment.

Fee depending of course.
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
The new chief scout Pedro Ferreira will know all about him and make a judgement
The coaching staff will too after working with him for four or five months - always looked like one for the future, if they do bring him in it will be so he can contribute in the next couple of years.
 

Ashley

Steve Chettle
What’s the option amount, was that every quoted ?

I’d be tempted to keep him around. Long term deal, reasonable fee, u21 still. Might be worth the investment.

Fee depending of course.
I agree if the price isn't silly. Haven't seen much of him, but from what little I've seen I do think he has something about him (certainly a lot more than Origi anyway).

Probably won't happen, but I'd like to see him start against Burnley (or at least get some substantial time off the bench) and see how he gets one.
 

Est.1865

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think its 11m Euros

I agree if the price isn't silly. Haven't seen much of him, but from what little I've seen I do think he has something about him (certainly a lot more than Origi anyway).

Probably won't happen, but I'd like to see him start against Burnley (or at least get some substantial time off the bench) and see how he gets one.
Agreed, reasonable fee spread over a long term contract.
 

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
FFP concerns still and folk want us to part with £10m on a kid we've seen fifteen minutes of because he made one good pass.

If we're spending our money on players like him in summer then we're on course to get relegated. Nothing against him, just stark reality of a team near the bottom buying inexperienced kids ala Southampton.
 

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
FFP concerns still and folk want us to part with £10m on a kid we've seen fifteen minutes of because he made one good pass.

If we're spending our money on players like him in summer then we're on course to get relegated. Nothing against him, just stark reality of a team near the bottom buying inexperienced kids ala Southampton.
Tbf it worked for Southampton in the main, even players like Alcaraz will make them money (when he proves to be like Nadal on clay).

Livramento was probably their last big sale but then there's always been the likes of JWP, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain.

Buying low risk young players is fine because unless the fee is overinflated to go for potential the risk is low and the chance of a profit is fine and with someone like Murillo the chance of a big sale is even more so.

I haven't seen much of this kid but to be fair people have been suggesting and perhaps rightly he can't be worse than Origi (except at causing seismic disturbances whilst walking). So we don't know if he's worth 10m or not, which is actual peanuts by PL standards anyway. Newcastle agreed the loan to buy for Lewis Hall, who is an 04 and a bit older than Rodrigo, for 28m plus addons on the basis of 9 PL appearances for Chelsea.
 

Est.1865

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FFP concerns still and folk want us to part with £10m on a kid we've seen fifteen minutes of because he made one good pass.

If we're spending our money on players like him in summer then we're on course to get relegated. Nothing against him, just stark reality of a team near the bottom buying inexperienced kids ala Southampton.
Minimal FFP aspect in a potential move like this.
 

Cortez the Killer

Impressive member
We bought Murillo and Danilo for 15m and 18m respectively (after seeing probably less of them than we'll have seen of the Portuguese kid) so if someone reckons he's worth it as an investment, I'm happy for us to take the punt. Because of the strict FFP regulations, these types of potential returns are more important than ever.

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Red Ray's Redlist

Viv Anderson
At the moment we need to be pooling the pennies to get players we need now rather than in 2 or 3 years time. Unless they think he's a decent level back-up for next season it's a waste. The fact Origi is in front of him doesn't back this up.
 

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Minimal FFP aspect in a potential move like this.

We have three more years of £200m odd of amortisation to pay off. Lumping another £10m onto it for an 18 year old untested kid is folly. I see other folk have quoted Murillo and Danilo but they are both older and had senior men's experience to go off, and just because they were good purchases doesn't mean that is the norm. The majority of big money moves for teenagers end up with those players never going for a higher fee.

The other reality is Taiwo struggles with fitness and Wood is ok but you probably don't want to rely on him too often next season. The striker we need to buy needs to be pushing to be first choice alongside Taiwo from the off, not learning his trade whilst his body is still growing.
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
We have three more years of £200m odd of amortisation to pay off. Lumping another £10m onto it for an 18 year old untested kid is folly. I see other folk have quoted Murillo and Danilo but they are both older and had senior men's experience to go off, and just because they were good purchases doesn't mean that is the norm. The majority of big money moves for teenagers end up with those players never going for a higher fee.

The other reality is Taiwo struggles with fitness and Wood is ok but you probably don't want to rely on him too often next season. The striker we need to buy needs to be pushing to be first choice alongside Taiwo from the off, not learning his trade whilst his body is still growing.
My take is that the loan has given all those at the club a real opportunity to take a look at what he is capable of in order to make an informed judgement as to whether he is worth bringing in for succession planning.

We never bought an 18 year old to contribute now, we bought him in to discover whether he has the kind of talent that will cut it at this level over time and increase that fee four fold or whatever.

So for me the 10m isn't folly - if the club decide to spend that it's because he has real talent and an incredibly bright future with us, which I assume we will see more and more of until he's our first choice 9.

It's succession planning, and while the academy is going to be in a bit of a lul for a few years while it transitions, is something I can get behind.

Also, see the Gui Ruck thing - apparently it's between us and Palace now over Barca (and the rest of the world) as his advisors want him coming to the Prem with a clear first team payhway. Kid's 14 and we are throwing cash. Obviously a gamble but I'd rather us try for the 'hottest prospect in world football' than not!
 
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Est.1865

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So for me the 10m isn't folly - if the club decide to spend that it's because he has real talent and an incredibly bright future with us, which I assume we will see more and more of until he's our first choice 9.

It's succession planning, and while the academy is going to be in a bit of a lul for a few years while it transitions, is something I can get behind.
Same, totally agree.
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
The sensible thing would be to give the kid a game up front at the weekend. See what he can do then.
While I wouldn't be against him getting some minutes, the sensible thing really would be to do whatever the coaching staff deem is right for his development. If they plan to keep him that is - they'll know what they need to by now you'd think...
 
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