Nottingham Forest Women FC

[FLC]

Nice place, Long Itchington. Camped at the back of the Green Man a few years ago. Shit football team though.

 

[Grenville 1898]

 

[Grenville 1898]

 

[Quntib Hollox]

That’s a record that will take some beating. The men have played for nearly 160 years and not come close.

 

[DocForest]

That’s a record that will take some beating. The men have played for nearly 160 years and not come close.

It was a ridiculous mis-match to be honest.
I looked the opposition up earlier and they've lost 9-2 and 8-1 this season to teams in their own league - West Midlands Regional.
I suspect it would be like the men's first team squad playing a team a quite a few tiers below the National League

 

[Fawazzock]

Long Itchington, what a name

 

[ARedChester]

I think the mismatch is made even worse as the gulf in quality between the Women's tiers is so much more than the Men's. The difference between the top couple of tiers may be slowly closing, but it has not cascaded down and it will take a long time to do so.

 

[Loughborough_red]

Apparently half of the Long Itchington team were kids. Sad to say it but it isn't a great look for women's football when you get results like this- it doesn't do anyone any favours.

Better coaching and facilities will help to bridge the gap between the big WSL teams and grassroots in time but there is a long way to go.

 

[Strummer]

That’s a record that will take some beating. The men have played for nearly 160 years and not come close.

Forest‘s record win is also in the FA Cup, winning 14-1 against Clapton Orient in 1891.

 

[Ian Moore Gone Little]

Forest‘s record win is also in the FA Cup, winning 14-1 against Clapton Orient in 1891.

It’s kind of you to give Clapton (I don’t think they had the Orient part of the name then) a goal, but it was actually 14-0. Unusually, both our record scores in the main domestic cups were away from home (8-0 at Doncaster in the League Cup).

 

[Notcher]

Apparently half of the Long Itchington team were kids. Sad to say it but it isn't a great look for women's football when you get results like this- it doesn't do anyone any favours.

Better coaching and facilities will help to bridge the gap between the big WSL teams and grassroots in time but there is a long way to go.

I've got 2 girls that play football, one is still young and plays at an academy and one in her teens that plays at a decent level in Yorkshire. The eldest has turned out for the women's side a couple of times and the one thing which I had confirmed in front of my eyes which I have said for years is about the goal size.

Most women are about the size of 14-15 year old lads, the lads at this age play in goals roughly ¾ the size of full size goals, what I then can't understand is why women who are around the size of these lads are then expected to play in full size goals. It's ridiculous, the female goalkeepers don't stand a chance with anything that goes over their head and it makes them look ridiculous.

I've put this forward in a couple of areas to people at the FA and as usual It's fallen on deaf ears. Until they make the change then these ludicrous scorelines will continue with regularity.

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[Captain Sinister]

I've got 2 girls that play football, one is still young and plays at an academy and one in her teens that plays at a decent level in Yorkshire. The eldest has turned out for the women's side a couple of times and the one thing which I had confirmed in front of my eyes which I have said for years is about the goal size.

Most women are about the size of 14-15 year old lads, the lads at this age play in goals roughly ¾ the size of full size goals, what I then can't understand is why women who are around the size of these lads are then expected to play in full size goals. It's ridiculous, the female goalkeepers don't stand a chance with anything that goes over their head and it makes them look ridiculous.

I've put this forward in a couple of areas to people at the FA and as usual It's fallen on deaf ears. Until they make the change then these ludicrous scorelines will continue with regularity.

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Women's football is fine, but it isn't going to benefit from continuing to ape the men's game.
I feel sad for those kids who were on the 19-0 losing side - what will that really do to their mental well-being?

 

[Notcher]

Women's football is fine, but it isn't going to benefit from continuing to ape the men's game.
I feel sad for those kids who were on the 19-0 losing side - what will that really do to their mental well-being?

They desperately need to revise the goal sizes Capt. We don't expect 14 year old lads to play in full size goals so why do we expect women of the same size to?

I thought we would have learned after we totally revised the grassroots format which changed for the better. I was playing in full size goals as a youngster and banging in 100 goals a season at U11-U13 because of the ludicrous net sizes. I'm at a loss as to why the don't recognise that this is detrimental to the women's game.

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[Berkshire Red]

They desperately need to revise the goal sizes Capt. We don't expect 14 year old lads to play in full size goals so why do we expect women of the same size to?

I thought we would have learned after we totally revised the grassroots format which changed for the better. I was playing in full size goals as a youngster and banging in 100 goals a season at U11-U13 because of the ludicrous net sizes. I'm at a loss as to why the don't recognise that this is detrimental to the women's game.

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I suspect they feel that it might devalue the game in the eyes of the public. Along with the MSM they're trying very hard to convince us that the men's and women's games are equal. Reducing goal sizes would make it clear that there's a disparity.

 

[Notcher]

I suspect they feel that it might devalue the game in the eyes of the public. Along with the MSM they're trying very hard to convince us that the men's and women's games are equal. Reducing goal sizes would make it clear that there's a disparity.

Gaslighting as I like to call it. It's as though bone density, muscle mass, power and size mean absolutely nothing.

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[Captain Sinister]

I suspect they feel that it might devalue the game in the eyes of the public. Along with the MSM they're trying very hard to convince us that the men's and women's games are equal. Reducing goal sizes would make it clear that there's a disparity.

And a team losing 19-0 isn't devaluing the women's game?
Nocher is correct:the FA need to reduce the goal size.
Also there should be regulations about the age when gils can turn out for women's teams.

 

[DocForest]

It was a difficult one for our ladies in the sense that we have to play Burnley in the next round this coming week, so it was no good treating it as a run around, they needed to be professional and disciplined. They apparently had that philosophy drummed in to them by the coaches and duly obliged, pretty much scoring from every attack, evey 4/5 minutes on average.
As Cap said though, how demoralising for the girls/women in the opposition.

I'd like to think as a club we have acknowledged that and done some good things for Long Itchington, players and club, in the background.

It did make me wonder if in these early round games where the disparity is so large that the games should be played at the bigger clubs ground, where they get the majority of receipts and at least get to play at a stadium, but then again, not many womens teams even above us are getting the chance to play in the same stadium as the men.

 

[forzagaribaldi]

It’s kind of you to give Clapton (I don’t think they had the Orient part of the name then) a goal, but it was actually 14-0. Unusually, both our record scores in the main domestic cups were away from home (8-0 at Doncaster in the League Cup).

Clapton FC (who our men’s team have the 14-0 against) are a different club to Clapton Orient (now Leyton Orient). They started in Clapton in 1878 but moved to Forest Gate very early on and kept the name. In recent years they were run by an absolute crook and so we set up a fan-owned club called Clapton Community FC and have taken over the magnificently named 'Old Spotted Dog' ground. The original club is still limping on with a handful of supporters.

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

I've got 2 girls that play football, one is still young and plays at an academy and one in her teens that plays at a decent level in Yorkshire. The eldest has turned out for the women's side a couple of times and the one thing which I had confirmed in front of my eyes which I have said for years is about the goal size.

Most women are about the size of 14-15 year old lads, the lads at this age play in goals roughly ¾ the size of full size goals, what I then can't understand is why women who are around the size of these lads are then expected to play in full size goals. It's ridiculous, the female goalkeepers don't stand a chance with anything that goes over their head and it makes them look ridiculous.

I've put this forward in a couple of areas to people at the FA and as usual It's fallen on deaf ears. Until they make the change then these ludicrous scorelines will continue with regularity.

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When tapes and crossbars were introduced in the 1870s to 1880s the average height of men was 5 ft 6ins. There wasn't a lot of games that ended in double digit scorelines. According to a Google search, the average height for women in the Uk is 5ft 4 1/2in and average heights have been rising over the last 100 years and there is probably room for that to continue over the coming decades.

Large defeats aren't limited to the ladies game. The mens Highland League in Scotland has thrown up some large scores over the years. Should Scotland lower the bars in the mens game?

I suspect that over time as skill levels increase generally the opportunities to score lots of goals will fall as the defenders improve and give the attackers less opportunity to test the keeper. As soccer continues to become more popular with young girls, taller girls may well be tempted into goalkeeping rolls making it harder to chip them too.

What I'm saying is to give it more time before trying to change the fundamentals.

 

[GOBIAS]

I thought last season Forest were in the second tier?

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

No, the year before last we won our league but lost out on promotion after a playoff defeat to the Southern champions Watford.

Last year Newcastle United won the Northern Division and Portsmouth the Southern League and both got promoted to the Championship after a change in the promotion and relegations system between the leagues.

 

[Templeton]

They desperately need to revise the goal sizes Capt. We don't expect 14 year old lads to play in full size goals so why do we expect women of the same size to?

It's a strange one that I was chatting about at work a few weeks back and it is a bizarre situation when you look across all professional women's sport .

When you look at football and rugby, both relatively new sports for woman to play professionally, there is this mindset that they have to be playing the exact same rules. Obviously the goal size is the big one in football, but there was also an argument shot down recently in rugby union about changing the rules around kicking for goal, there is clearly a physical disadvantage for the women meaning a lot more kicks are being missed.

But, if you look at some of the women's sports that have been around in a professional sense for much longer they clearly accept the physical differences. In golf the women tee off ahead of the men to make the hole short as they can't hit it as far, in tennis the women play a 3 set match where men play 5, in athletics many of the events differ slightly, heptathlon instead of decathlon, 100m hurdles instead of 110m.

It really seems that modern days views in terms of 'sexism' could actually be preventing the sport from being better by insisting it has to be exactly the same.

 

[DocForest]

It's a strange one that I was chatting about at work a few weeks back and it is a bizarre situation when you look across all professional women's sport .

When you look at football and rugby, both relatively new sports for woman to play professionally, there is this mindset that they have to be playing the exact same rules. Obviously the goal size is the big one in football, but there was also an argument shot down recently in rugby union about changing the rules around kicking for goal, there is clearly a physical disadvantage for the women meaning a lot more kicks are being missed.

But, if you look at some of the women's sports that have been around in a professional sense for much longer they clearly accept the physical differences. In golf the women tee off ahead of the men to make the hole short as they can't hit it as far, in tennis the women play a 3 set match where men play 5, in athletics many of the events differ slightly, heptathlon instead of decathlon, 100m hurdles instead of 110m.

It really seems that modern days views in terms of 'sexism' could actually be preventing the sport from being better by insisting it has to be exactly the same.

Add cricket to that. Smaller ball and smaller boundaries.

 

[Templeton]

Add cricket to that. Smaller ball and smaller boundaries.

Yes, had forgot about cricket but yes they realise the physical differences so have adjusted the game slightly. Just makes it all the more ridiculous that in football they refuse.

 

[T Francis]

Apparently half of the Long Itchington team were kids. Sad to say it but it isn't a great look for women's football when you get results like this- it doesn't do anyone any favours.

I agree but they deserve some credit for getting that far in the competition!
One round further than Derby Women got
Looks a decent crowd for that level as well.