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Murillo Santiago Costa dos Santos

Red Echo

Youth Team
These valuations are a joke, I have to say.

Any team trying to get him for less than 60m just because he's not a 6'4 giant should be pointed to this man's Wikipedia page:

Fabio_Cannavaro_Napoli_1990.jpg


Because that is Murillo's ceiling.
 

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
These valuations are a joke, I have to say.

Any team trying to get him for less than 60m just because he's not a 6'4 giant should be pointed to this man's Wikipedia page:

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Because that is Murillo's ceiling.
I posted previously in this very thread, that my belief in Murillo‘s technique, vision, passing and football-smarts reminded me a bit of the Italian legend - including his (relative) lack of stature.

It never hurt Cannavaro, who was a superb player (and one of my personal favourites when he was playing, an absolute Rolls-Royce of a footballer).
 

Red Echo

Youth Team
I posted previously in this very thread, that my belief in Murillo‘s technique, vision, passing and football-smarts reminded me a bit of the Italian legend - including his (relative) lack of stature.

It never hurt Cannavaro, who was a superb player (and one of my personal favourites when he was playing, an absolute Rolls-Royce of a footballer).
Likewise mate. His warrior spirit was something else. Murillo might even get a bit of that in him as the years go by.

Everything else is there though. Some of the sliding tackles he did this season were just pure Cannavaro. I think the slightly lower centre of gravity helps out a bit.
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
Read about interest from Chelsea the other day - might work well for us if we can make their valuations a little more realistic and bring one or two the other way...

We've been permanently interested in Chalobah, though suspect he will still have CL ambitions. They have about a million young CBs though, so perhaps there's one in there that could come the other way?

They also seem to stockpile young talent so perhaps there's a forward loan that might help us?
 

REDDERS78

Jack Armstrong
No, pretty objective on this one.

Bias is thinking Taiwo clown feet Awoniyi is a top 6 striker.

Im not sure anyone has ever said Taiwo is a top 6 striker, but anyway. Im trying to be sensible and unbiased here but on what basis is his ceiling "fathoms" above Branthwaite? They are the same age, Branthwaite has been the better player this season to be honest and will 100% command a bigger fee this summer. He would walk into 99% of teams at this level even at 21.

Are we getting a little carried away because of the long balls, the one on ones or because he's Brazilian? Hes a good prospect no doubt but I do feel some are getting a bit over excited. His positional sense at times is dreadful and there will always be the need in England to have a bigger CH next to him, this isnt Italy and he isnt Cannavaro, lets stop that silly talk.

I think he would thrive in Spain and I think hes our most sellable asset, easier to replace than MGW, Id love him to stay and develop, but IF we need to sell 1 major player, I'd rather it was him than Morgan personally.

Pragmatic, but just the way I see it.
 

Browser79

First Team Squad
Im not sure anyone has ever said Taiwo is a top 6 striker, but anyway. Im trying to be sensible and unbiased here but on what basis is his ceiling "fathoms" above Branthwaite? They are the same age, Branthwaite has been the better player this season to be honest and will 100% command a bigger fee this summer. He would walk into 99% of teams at this level even at 21.

Are we getting a little carried away because of the long balls, the one on ones or because he's Brazilian? Hes a good prospect no doubt but I do feel some are getting a bit over excited. His positional sense at times is dreadful and there will always be the need in England to have a bigger CH next to him, this isnt Italy and he isnt Cannavaro, lets stop that silly talk.

I think he would thrive in Spain and I think hes our most sellable asset, easier to replace than MGW, Id love him to stay and develop, but IF we need to sell 1 major player, I'd rather it was him than Morgan personally.

Pragmatic, but just the way I see it.
The Taiwo thread is a must read, but anyway, on Murillo…

I don’t agree that Branthwaite has been the ‘better’ player this year. I might agree he’s been more effective as one part of a more effective defensive unit (and you might argue that better and effective are the same thing) but I don’t think there’d be much between them in terms of how often their interventions have saved goals.

Using the much fabled ‘eye test’, Murillo’s balance, speed, timing, technique - all look significantly better than Branthwaites to my eyes. I’ve no doubt Branthwaite will have a great English career - in my view the career Harry Maguire should have had (possibly at the club he should have had it), and at worst he’ll be a rich man’s Robert Huth. I’ve seen enough from Murillo though to put me in the silly camp you refer to. I think we are looking at someone who could become a Cannavaro. 10 senior games and then a season in a struggling team in a new country and language… and he plays like he has - I feel very grateful to be able say we watched him in our shirt.

I don’t disagree on his positional sense but refer you to 40 odd senior games. What does 2nd season Murillo look like?! That really excites me. I think you’re harsh on him in the air - he seemed to be first up for us at set pieces - but equally I agree that his future is in Spain or a less arial league where it’ll matter less anyway. I also agree he’s our most sellable asset and strategically we’d be better keeping MGW. I just think we’re sitting on a world class talent, who’s value will significantly rise next year as he and we (hopefully) develop. Next year we should do business and our market should be Spain/Italy. Selling him now locally as a Branthwaite alternative will be something we cringe about in years to come. If it’s our only option to appease the premier league gods of unfairness and unsustainability then so be it. I just hope we can find a way that that’s not the case (and doesn’t sacrifice MGW).
 

REDDERS78

Jack Armstrong
The Taiwo thread is a must read, but anyway, on Murillo…

I don’t agree that Branthwaite has been the ‘better’ player this year. I might agree he’s been more effective as one part of a more effective defensive unit (and you might argue that better and effective are the same thing) but I don’t think there’d be much between them in terms of how often their interventions have saved goals.

Using the much fabled ‘eye test’, Murillo’s balance, speed, timing, technique - all look significantly better than Branthwaites to my eyes. I’ve no doubt Branthwaite will have a great English career - in my view the career Harry Maguire should have had (possibly at the club he should have had it), and at worst he’ll be a rich man’s Robert Huth. I’ve seen enough from Murillo though to put me in the silly camp you refer to. I think we are looking at someone who could become a Cannavaro. 10 senior games and then a season in a struggling team in a new country and language… and he plays like he has - I feel very grateful to be able say we watched him in our shirt.

I don’t disagree on his positional sense but refer you to 40 odd senior games. What does 2nd season Murillo look like?! That really excites me. I think you’re harsh on him in the air - he seemed to be first up for us at set pieces - but equally I agree that his future is in Spain or a less arial league where it’ll matter less anyway. I also agree he’s our most sellable asset and strategically we’d be better keeping MGW. I just think we’re sitting on a world class talent, who’s value will significantly rise next year as he and we (hopefully) develop. Next year we should do business and our market should be Spain/Italy. Selling him now locally as a Branthwaite alternative will be something we cringe about in years to come. If it’s our only option to appease the premier league gods of unfairness and unsustainability then so be it. I just hope we can find a way that that’s not the case (and doesn’t sacrifice MGW).

Im not gonna argue with that, valid points.

In my mind we need to let one go, and as much as I dont want it to happen, I fear it will. You could be spot on regarding his career, I wouldnt argue it to be honest. I can easily see him being a star in Spain.

Lets keep our fingers crossed that we dont have to let anyone important go, Id love him to stay. I just think its gonna be a 'needs must' scenario.
 

andyd

First Team Squad
As someone who supports Roma as well as Forest from my time living out there the comparison I can't avoid is Marquinhos, right down to the 'needing to sell for the (un)sustainability rules and watching a world class talent become world class somewhere else' part. Watching Marquinhos during his season in Rome was as breathtaking as watching Murillo was at times this year, you just KNEW he was special and would go on to play for a super team for a long time. Roma got good money for him at the time (pre June 30th of course) but much like selling Salah to Liverpool you also KNEW that the deal would look awful within a couple of years when he became the first name on the team sheet and captain at PSG and for Brazil. And it did.

I think we're going to have to sell him, and I do think he's the obvious one in terms of being able to replace him, but I know from my Marquinhos experience how we'll feel 2 or 3 years from now as our Rolls Royce defender becomes synonymous with a super team and we are footnote in his career that no one remembers.
 

Master Yates

John Robertson
As someone who supports Roma as well as Forest from my time living out there the comparison I can't avoid is Marquinhos, right down to the 'needing to sell for the (un)sustainability rules and watching a world class talent become world class somewhere else' part. Watching Marquinhos during his season in Rome was as breathtaking as watching Murillo was at times this year, you just KNEW he was special and would go on to play for a super team for a long time. Roma got good money for him at the time (pre June 30th of course) but much like selling Salah to Liverpool you also KNEW that the deal would look awful within a couple of years when he became the first name on the team sheet and captain at PSG and for Brazil. And it did.

I think we're going to have to sell him, and I do think he's the obvious one in terms of being able to replace him, but I know from my Marquinhos experience how we'll feel 2 or 3 years from now as our Rolls Royce defender becomes synonymous with a super team and we are footnote in his career that no one remembers.

Still waiting for Marquinhos to sign for a super team to be honest. He’s spent most of his career at French Celtic


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Malwood

Geoff Thomas
If we swapped Murillo for Branthwaite would our set-piece defending get better?
 
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Monkman

Jack Armstrong
I apologise for bumping this thread and making people panic. Was just browsing the first couple of pages of the thread and this made me smile, from early August.

Agreed, this would be a risky move. There are a few younger players in English football we should be looking at if we have 15/20mil to roll the dice with.

Omobamidele at Norwich for one

Marinakis: "f*** it, we'll 'ave 'em both!"
 

Canadian_red

Grenville Morris
Looking back through the old comments and I think good on our recruitment team for not shying away when others did as the numbers ticked up.
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
Ticks the 'can he play left back' box.

In seriousness I worry about his age/experience after the Bade thing - not against this type of signing personally, though think he'd have to be something exceptional to be considered a starter for Cooper in the short term.
While reflecting on earlier posts mine made me chuckle; he really is something exceptional!
 

Malwood

Geoff Thomas
Today is the 8th of June. Nothing has happened in the transfer market. There are a number of teams that need to make a big sale before 30th of June, which is only three weeks away.

I predict there will be panicking sellers trying to unload players in the last few days of June and finding no buyers.
 

Est.1865

Season 3 Loading
Today is the 8th of June. Nothing has happened in the transfer market. There are a number of teams that need to make a big sale before 30th of June, which is only three weeks away.

I predict there will be panicking sellers trying to unload players in the last few days of June and finding no buyers.
I think the ‘window’ technically opens on 14th June
 

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
Seeing as the EPL clubs love voting so much (recently) they should vote to allow the end of the transfer window to tie in to the Accounting period.

You’d think at least 14 clubs would be keen on this?

Either that, or the week before the first game of the season.
June 30th is going to become an unofficial transfer deadline day. Sky sports news will love that.

"The transfer window has slammed shut, although it's been left on the latch"
 

Rubics

Bin VAR!
Athletico being reported as interested this morning.
Also Taiywo available and we’re looking at breaton to replace him
If Nuno goes back to Portugal Silva is the number one target but Fulham have a £9m release clause.

Not sure on any of the above - you could make a case for them all just looking at history / connections.
 
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