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Moussa Niakhaté

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Est.1865

Nottingham Forest FC
youreds1986 said:
27m is a phenomenally good fee for him.

Whilst we love him, he’s not exactly set the PL alight since he arrived.

Definitely feels like there’s some PSR cooking going on, but who knows. Maybe they just wanted him that much.
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Don’t Lyon and Palace have the same ownership ? Lyon have a CB we are linked with, Palace have a GK we’ve been linked with…
 
isaacs

isaacs

Geoff Thomas
Trouble seems to be an understatement, relegation to Ligue 2 and thats the best case scenario according to some.

What the hell did the Big Man have over John Textor to get the fees we got for Moussa and Orel!
 
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coops89

First Team Squad
Will this impact us financially? If they can’t pay off debts, they have a significant one to us. How/does that affect us FFP wise? Always one to look at the negatives, could we end up having to sell someone in January?
 
Haych

Haych

John Robertson
coops89 said:
Will this impact us financially? If they can’t pay off debts, they have a significant one to us. How/does that affect us FFP wise? Always one to look at the negatives, could we end up having to sell someone in January?
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I’m 99% sure that as long as the contract says x amount of money has been agreed by all parties it doesn’t actually matter if the buying club actually pays the money owed.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Haych said:
I’m 99% sure that as long as the contract says x amount of money has been agreed by all parties it doesn’t actually matter if the buying club actually pays the money owed.
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If the purchasing club cannot pay, the unpaid amount becomes a bad debt.
In a normal business bad debts are chargeable against taxable profits, thus reducing profits/increasing losses.
FFP specifically, and football in general doesn't always seem to follow "usual" business accounting rules.
 
Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
coops89 said:
Will this impact us financially? If they can’t pay off debts, they have a significant one to us. How/does that affect us FFP wise? Always one to look at the negatives, could we end up having to sell someone in January?
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I think it would have all been on our books already so I don't think it's an issue with FFP so as @Haych says it shouldn't matter if payments are late.

As for actually getting paid - Football creditors (transfer fees) are absolute top of the list in terms of getting paid so even in the worst case scenario I assume FIFA have a system in place to get your money, because the rules are so strict around this in the first place because 1 club not paying out can lead to hundreds going out of business. As an example, Derby still ended up paying Arsenal for Bielik & shafted everyone else with pennys on the pound.

A general point but WTF is that guy that owns them doing? He has the actions of a man that has absolutely no money yet he's a "billionaire" that doesn't ever shut his gob. Let's be honest, this & the Mangala deal were weird to begin with but the fact they then loaned Mangala out & they have put all their players on the market just a few months after the deals... bizzare...
 
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coops89

First Team Squad
Rzar said:
I think it would have all been on our books already so I don't think it's an issue with FFP so as @Haych says it shouldn't matter if payments are late.

As for actually getting paid - Football creditors (transfer fees) are absolute top of the list in terms of getting paid so even in the worst case scenario I assume FIFA have a system in place to get your money, because the rules are so strict around this in the first place because 1 club not paying out can lead to hundreds going out of business. As an example, Derby still ended up paying Arsenal for Bielik & shafted everyone else with pennys on the pound.

A general point but WTF is that guy that owns them doing? He has the actions of a man that has absolutely no money yet he's a "billionaire" that doesn't ever shut his gob. Let's be honest, this & the Mangala deal were weird to begin with but the fact they then loaned Mangala out & they have put all their players on the market just a few months after the deals... bizzare...
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I wasn’t aware of how it worked in terms of priority creditors so thanks for the explanation! They were incredible deals for Mangala and Niakhate all things considered.

I have no idea what that owners doing and it makes me even more thankful we have Marinakis. I noticed Textor also owns Palace, so he could end up bundling players to them in an attempt to keep Lyon afloat.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Rzar said:
I think it would have all been on our books already so I don't think it's an issue with FFP so as @Haych says it shouldn't matter if payments are late.

As for actually getting paid - Football creditors (transfer fees) are absolute top of the list in terms of getting paid so even in the worst case scenario I assume FIFA have a system in place to get your money, because the rules are so strict around this in the first place because 1 club not paying out can lead to hundreds going out of business. As an example, Derby still ended up paying Arsenal for Bielik & shafted everyone else with pennys on the pound.

A general point but WTF is that guy that owns them doing? He has the actions of a man that has absolutely no money yet he's a "billionaire" that doesn't ever shut his gob. Let's be honest, this & the Mangala deal were weird to begin with but the fact they then loaned Mangala out & they have put all their players on the market just a few months after the deals... bizzare...
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If there is absolutely no money in the till when a club enters administration, the FA has a fund to make payments for outstanding transfer fees, to try and prevent the "domino effeect".
For example, Club A goes into administration, and the Administrator finds there is no money at all, and Club A owes £1m to a minor league club in outstanding transfer fees, then without a fall-back "emergency fund" Club B could find itself going bust, and if it owes (say) £500,000 to club C for transfer fees, then Club C could go bust... and so on.
However, the FA reclaims the "Golden Share" from Club A, to sell on to a new club/new owners, and the FA settles the outstanding transfer fees from the emergency fund.
Unpaid players' wages are similarly protected.
This was tested in the High court, when debenture holders and holders of security for the monies lent to the failing club protested that their position as Secured Preferential Creditors was undermined by the premier status given to football creditors.
The High Court ruled that the outstanding football related debts out-ranked all other debtors, including HMRC.
 
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Rzar

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
Captain Sinister said:
If there is absolutely no money in the till when a club enters administration, the FA has a fund to make payments for outstanding transfer fees, to try and prevent the "domino effeect".
For example, Club A goes into administration, and the Administrator find there is no money at all, and Club A owes £1m to a minor league club in outstanding transfer fees, then without a fall-back "emergency fund" Club B could find itself going bust, and if it owes (say) £500,000 to club C for transfer fees, then Club C could go bust... and so on.
However, the FA reclaims the "Golden Share" from Club A, to sell on to a new club/new owners, and the FA settles the outstanding transfer fees from the emergency fund.
Unpaid paleys' wages are similarly protected.
This was tested in the High court, when debenture holders and holders of security for the monies lent to the failing club protested that theit position as Secured Preferential Creditors was undermined by the premier status given to football creditors.
The High Court ruled that the outstanding football related dents out-ranked all other debtors, including HMRC.
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I thought they had something in place but wasn't sure how it worked.

This will fall out of the FA's jurisdiction as it's an international transfer but I assume FIFA have similar rules as they do take non-payment of transfer fees very seriously.

Not that I think it will get to this.
 
Eddie Yates

Eddie Yates

I ♥️ Nigel Farage 🇬🇧
TrickyTree101 said:
With lack of midfielders would love him back as a free transfer - thought he played well for us
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A lack of midfielders?

Anderson, Yates, Sangare, MGW, Yates, Danillo, JWP, Dominguez

& because of this you want to bring back a CB who was pretty average at PL level when we've got Murillo, Milenkovic, Morrata, Boly & Omabomabimbom

How are you Fawaz?
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
We don't need Niakhate or Mangala.

We have plenty of options in CM or CB for it not to matter which position or player the comment was aimed at.

Strikers please
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Eddie Yates said:
So I've typed all that for f*** all

But anyway why would anyone want Kouyate back
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Not now - he is well past his best.
And Mangala, for all of Strummer's adulation and man-love, he isn't really a stand-out player in the Prem.
He looked decent enough for us on our return to the top flight, but I think one of the inferior leagues, like the bundeslegia is his metier.
 
Raymondo Ponte'

Raymondo Ponte'

It's all about 17th...
Eddie Yates said:
A lack of midfielders?

Anderson, Yates, Sangare, MGW, Yates, Danillo, JWP, Dominguez

& because of this you want to bring back a CB who was pretty average at PL level when we've got Murillo, Milenkovic, Morrata, Boly & Omabomabimbom

How are you Fawaz?
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Yatesy Yatesy... So gooood ya named him twice... Yatesy Yatesy all the the scandal and the vice, Ilove it !
 
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JonnoSnr

First Team Squad
Niakhate was decent enough but I think the level of the CBs we currently have shows the difference in levels from where we were when we came up. It's unbelievable really that only a year ago or so we were playing McKenna and Worrall.
 
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