Kings Kangwa

[Any Time Now]

I wouldn't consider Bowler much of a favour for Olympiacos, he made 3 starts and a couple of appearances for them before his loan got terminated and he was sent back to Blackpool for game time. He was just a low risk (£2m) contingency plan should we have dropped back down to the Championship

 

[Ashley]

I wouldn't consider Bowler much of a favour for Olympiacos, he made 3 starts and a couple of appearances for them before his loan got terminated and he was sent back to Blackpool for game time. He was just a low risk (£2m) contingency plan should we have dropped back down to the Championship

Fair points. Hwang was definitely a favour though (and one that clearly doesn't benefit Forest in any way, shape or form), as would signing Kangwa only to loan him out to Olympiacos if that scenario panned out.

 

[Farmer Jack]

More chance of King Kong.

 

[Cortez the Killer]

More chance of King Kong.

We'd probably sign his more inept brother, Donkey Kong.

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[Bob D'Imsen]

Just searched footballers named Pussy Galore , drew a blank…..back ta Kangwa

We 'ed a dinner lady at school who we used to call Gowdfinger, Bonf. She 'ed a gowd fingernail, yer see?

Alongside 'er, thi were John Wayne(she were bow legged), Snowflake (cos she looked like Snowflake the albino gorilla, not becoss she were 'woke'. Weren't a thing in the mid 90's, like, although I'm sure some fanny on here will explain otherwise)) and 'Bounder' (cos she were fat).

 

[Bonfy177]

We 'ed a dinner lady at school who we used to call Gowdfinger, Bonf. She 'ed a gowd fingernail, yer see?

Alongside 'er, thi were John Wayne(she were bow legged), Snowflake (cos she looked like Snowflake the albino gorilla, not becoss she were 'woke'. Weren't a thing in the mid 90's, like, although I'm sure some fanny on here will explain otherwise)) and 'Bounder' (cos she were fat).

Gowdfinger

 

[Bonfy177]

Had a teacher called “sticky out arse” cause he were like a duck @Bob D'Imsen

 

[Bob D'Imsen]

Had a teacher called “sticky out arse” cause he were like a duck @Bob D'Imsen

Mi brother's a bit like that.

Here's mi 'ed, mi arse is following . . . . that's what I say to 'im.

 

[Mr.Chipshop]

Worth it just for the inevitable "Player scores from King's cross" headlines.

 

[Bonfy177]

Worth it just for the inevitable "Player scores from King's cross" headlines.

Need a forward called station …….King’s Cross……..Station ….one nil

 

[Mostly Donkey]

Bit puzzled by this back and forth re signing players for loan. Isn't that the model that Chelsea and Man City etc use to offset some of their FFP nonsense. Is the point not to buy a potentially appreciating asset, get someone else to develop it at their opex expense and then sell it at a profit (or use it ourselves if it turns out to be excellent).
Doesn't Oly being able to put the go faster stripes of champions League football on such speculative assets offer us something of an upgrade path for those investments?
We are only doing what other clubs do to make money long term and leveraging our natural advantage in terms of our owner when we don't have league placing ourselves to inflate asset worth in the way the top 6 clubs do. Ok it's corner shop in comparison but every empire needs a start.

 

[Ashley]

Bit puzzled by this back and forth re signing players for loan. Isn't that the model that Chelsea and Man City etc use to offset some of their FFP nonsense. Is the point not to buy a potentially appreciating asset, get someone else to develop it at their opex expense and then sell it at a profit (or use it ourselves if it turns out to be excellent).
Doesn't Oly being able to put the go faster stripes of champions League football on such speculative assets offer us something of an upgrade path for those investments?
We are only doing what other clubs do to make money long term and leveraging our natural advantage in terms of our owner when we don't have league placing ourselves to inflate asset worth in the way the top 6 clubs do. Ok it's corner shop in comparison but every empire needs a start.

If we were signing young players and loaning them to Olympiacos for that purpose, I'd agree.

But signing a 30-year old like Hwang and a chap in his mid-20's like Kangwa and loaning them to Oly wouldn't be doing that. We won't make any money off either, and neither would likely make an impact at Forest (Hwang certainly won't). There's no logic behind signing either of those and loaning them to Olympiacos beyond doing Oly a favour with us shouldering the financial burden.

 

[Est.1865]

Bit puzzled by this back and forth re signing players for loan. Isn't that the model that Chelsea and Man City etc use to offset some of their FFP nonsense. Is the point not to buy a potentially appreciating asset, get someone else to develop it at their opex expense and then sell it at a profit (or use it ourselves if it turns out to be excellent).
Doesn't Oly being able to put the go faster stripes of champions League football on such speculative assets offer us something of an upgrade path for those investments?
We are only doing what other clubs do to make money long term and leveraging our natural advantage in terms of our owner when we don't have league placing ourselves to inflate asset worth in the way the top 6 clubs do. Ok it's corner shop in comparison but every empire needs a start.

Agreed, there’s a level of ignorance towards theses moves.

 

[Master Yates]

Agreed, there’s a level of ignorance towards theses moves.

Please fill me in, what did the Hwang purchase do for us as a club?


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[Est.1865]

Please fill me in, what did the Hwang purchase do for us as a club?


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There’s obviously a collaborative recruiting approach going on within the EM empire. Got to accept the rough with the smooth IMO.

Cherry picking isolated, low level examples, demonstrates a level of ignorance to the bigger picture.

Hwang is shit though. Can’t disagree there.

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

Please fill me in, what did the Hwang purchase do for us as a club?


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Isn't an opportunity for a million Hwang puns enough for you?

You can't put a price on that.

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[andover red]

We benefitted from the arrangement when we were in the Championship and Oly had greater FFP freedom. We had players like Bouchalakis and were given a few others that we sold for profit.

Now that we are in the PL we have greater FFP freedom than Oly and the favour is being returned.

And Bowler was always signed for Forest but in the PL we don't need him so suited all partied (except probably the player himself) for him to go there on loan

 

[Master Yates]

There’s obviously a collaborative recruiting approach going on within the EM empire. Got to accept the rough with the smooth IMO.

Cherry picking isolated, low level examples, demonstrates a level of ignorance to the bigger picture.

Hwang is shit though. Can’t disagree there.

You do sound a bit arrogant calling anyone who disagrees with you ignorant though.

This collaborative approach hasn’t really done much for either club on the pitch so far has it?

Granted it’s helped us move a bit of money around on Ansarifard, Kapino etc but it’s mot exactly Red Bull Salzburg/Leipzig is it?


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[Est.1865]

You do sound a bit arrogant calling anyone who disagrees with you ignorant though.

This collaborative approach hasn’t really done much for either club on the pitch so far has it?

Granted it’s helped us move a bit of money around on Ansarifard, Kapino etc but it’s mot exactly Red Bull Salzburg/Leipzig is it?


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Well we are now in the PL so something is working. And to be perfectly honest, complaining over us potentially signing a player for under 5m to then send on loan to Oly deserves criticism.

Short term memory of where we were, short sighted version of how we are currently operating.

 

[gamble]

There’s obviously a collaborative recruiting approach going on within the EM empire. Got to accept the rough with the smooth IMO.

Cherry picking isolated, low level examples, demonstrates a level of ignorance to the bigger picture.

Hwang is shit though. Can’t disagree there.

It's hard to Cherry pick when we've only sent them 2.

**Edit** 3 I forgot Carvalho, but that was a permanent.

 

[gamble]

Bit puzzled by this back and forth re signing players for loan. Isn't that the model that Chelsea and Man City etc use to offset some of their FFP nonsense. Is the point not to buy a potentially appreciating asset, get someone else to develop it at their opex expense and then sell it at a profit (or use it ourselves if it turns out to be excellent).
Doesn't Oly being able to put the go faster stripes of champions League football on such speculative assets offer us something of an upgrade path for those investments?
We are only doing what other clubs do to make money long term and leveraging our natural advantage in terms of our owner when we don't have league placing ourselves to inflate asset worth in the way the top 6 clubs do. Ok it's corner shop in comparison but every empire needs a start.

Chelsea sign young lads and loan then out like Bamford to make a profit. That "loophole" has also been closed as we can only loan out so many players now due to them and others taking the piss.

We benefitted from the arrangement when we were in the Championship and Oly had greater FFP freedom. We had players like Bouchalakis and were given a few others that we sold for profit.

Now that we are in the PL we have greater FFP freedom than Oly and the favour is being returned.

And Bowler was always signed for Forest but in the PL we don't need him so suited all partied (except probably the player himself) for him to go there on loan

We barely benefitted from the deals, at best we made a small profit on the odd player (Kapino,Tachtsidis), but then players like Drager are still here and a drain on resources. Overall, I'd say with the waste of wages we maybe broke even or close to it either way.

The only player who was any good that we got from Oly was Cafu and he left on a free.

 

[Master Yates]

Well we are now in the PL so something is working. And to be perfectly honest, complaining over us potentially signing a player for under 5m to then send on loan to Oly deserves criticism.

Short term memory of where we were, short sighted version of how we are currently operating.

See you are still criticising anyone who disagrees with you by calling them ignorant or short sighted, but you haven’t actually put forward any counterpoint to say why the operation is worthwhile for either club.

“We’re in the PL” is a bit reductive. Our promotion certainly wasn’t anything to do with the “gifts” from Olympiakos was it?

So why don’t you you explain it to those of us who aren’t as forward thinking and long sighted as you are.


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[Ashley]

Maybe it's all just an incredibly clever game of 4D chess us mere mortals don't understand?

 

[Samba's Water Bottle]

Maybe it's all just an incredibly clever game of 4D chess us mere mortals don't understand?

The real reason we got promoted is so often overlooked.

 

[Est.1865]

See you are still criticising anyone who disagrees with you by calling them ignorant or short sighted, but you haven’t actually put forward any counterpoint to say why the operation is worthwhile for either club.

“We’re in the PL” is a bit reductive. Our promotion certainly wasn’t anything to do with the “gifts” from Olympiakos was it?

So why don’t you you explain it to those of us who aren’t as forward thinking and long sighted as you are.


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EM directs more resource to us, invests more in us, we stash the occasional player in their squad, Richards being the next. We get use of their recruitment execs on our transfer dealings. Once in a while we throw them a bone. This guy could be one.

Seems like we get the better end of the relationship. I simply find the criticism of how we operate with Oly baffling when it’s clearly been to our long term advantage under EMs ownership.