We should just go full scouse and blame Chelsea fans for it all happening.
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Incident Involving Billy Sharp
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Timothy Pope
I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
Mr. Blonde
Jack Burkitt
The downside of erecting fences at football grounds again? Do you really need me to answer that?
Master Yates
John Robertson
Perhaps they can incorporate the following when they redesign the City Ground? The moat could be filled with ravenous zombie Derby fans crazed by their time in League 1.
A gap between the field and the stands with a huge drop is quite common in Brazil
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Bryn Gunn
Cash is King!
Anyone else remember Cloughie twatting the pitch invaders? 
It rarely happened again until he was down the tunnel.
It rarely happened again until he was down the tunnel.
I'm Red Till Dead
Stuart Pearce
Perhaps they can incorporate the following when they redesign the City Ground? The moat could be filled with ravenous zombie Derby fans crazed by their time in League 1.
They should have filled the moat with piranha fish!
Rockabilly
GAFF LAD. "Open your knees and feel the breeze"
Joe Baker's Dog
Grenville Morris
I'm totally against pitch invasions. I know it was a massive relief when we won on penalties but you can celebrate in the stand just as well. Our group waited until the manager/players came out and did a lap of honour but it was a shame that the City Ground was less than 20% full by then. We don't want to go back to cages, we all know what a success they weren't. I'd make it clear that anybody running on to the pitch will be banned....OK so the Club won't identify everybody - there were too many the other night - but if you ban a few it's a warning. Those running over to the away fans and goading them are a disgrace. This has to be stopped, it's getting out of control.
Timothy Pope
I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
It would be useful if you could. I made a serious suggestion and you poo-pood it without explanation.
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Larry Lansbury
Viv Anderson
That’s right, for sum fans it wasn’t about the emotion of winning it was a chance to goad and have a cheap shot at utd fans.
They are fine as a celebration and the players loved it, much better than a club/media controlled celebration. We have the agenda from the middle class media again, authoritarian bans, ground closures etc. Keep the plebs in their place is the mindset. Again at city yesterday one person has done something stupid, out of many thousands. There are plenty of things the authorities can do to limit the invasion to protect players. Even small temporary barriers will make it impossible, or harder for many to get on, when the game is about to end a signal could get the away players towards the tunnel then they could be off in 10 seconds. Authoritarian measures don't work in the end, one way or another the game is damaged by them. They do them regularly in France and it is always the same clubs whose fans get punished again and again.
Redemption
Chief Eye Roller
Fines and points deductions don't work.
That's why there's only two choices:
fans choose not to invade the pitch;
or the authorities choose to cage us in.
The sad thing is that we're getting close to safe standing, mixed fan zones and less aggressive stewarding and policing.
That's why there's only two choices:
fans choose not to invade the pitch;
or the authorities choose to cage us in.
The sad thing is that we're getting close to safe standing, mixed fan zones and less aggressive stewarding and policing.
Master Yates
John Robertson
It wasn’t one person at City. Several of them attacked Robin Olsen and there were a group of them breaking the crossbars (why??).
It’s alright giving it the libertarian, freedom for all approach and saying most people are fine, but as usual a small minority ruin it for everyone. If people insist on acting like children, you can hardly blame people for suggesting they are treated like children.
Far from authorities “keeping plebs in their place”, I find it’s the opposite nowadays. Nobody can be bothered to do anything properly any more, in any walk of life, from the police not bothering to investigate crimes, to GP surgeries not bothering to call patients back to relying on cameras and retrospective action rather than stopping/disincentivising bad behaviour before or as it happens.
It’s led to a society where people think they can do whatever they want with no ramifications.
That’s why we won’t have fences or any other crackdown. All we’ll get is lamentations, hand-wringing and some fines dished out.
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Fawazzock
Jack Burkitt
Keep pitch invasions
Deter violence
Deter violence
BringBackJemo
First Team Squad
Sorry but whilst I appreciate there's a strong flavour of 'the working class heroes' on this forum, that is bollox - perhaps the more relevant point is that it's the large volume of plebs acting like feckless idiots that results in the need for authoritarian measures. Ultimately people (not just football fans) go out of their way to consistently illustrate the need for rules/regulations without which they are unable to control themselves. Sadly it is a minority - but it's certainly not a small one. It's the same insanity which results in every cliff edge having a fence because there's always one prick who has to stand near the edge and fall off. (and will then blame the authorities for not making it safe)
It's got nothing to do with class, it's simply about taking responsibility. At every junction 'people' en masse have proven they cannot be trusted.
I'm Red Till Dead
Stuart Pearce
I'm sure that you are aware of the major downside being that in the event of an emergency, with a fixed fencing system, the crowd get crushed against the fences as happened at Hillsborough,and in 1983 at the City Ground itself - https://thecelticstar.com/nottingham-forest-v-celtic-the-most-frightening-thing-to-have-happened-to-me-at-a-match/
Now you might say that had excess fans not entered the ground then it wouldn't have been a problem, but if people don't go on the pitch you don't need fences.
If fencing was introduced, and please dun't let it be, it probably needs to have some kind of electronic release mechanism so that the fences can be quicky opened in an emergency. I could see that having it's own issues though as people crushed against it could end up being crushed on the floor when they fall through. The solution to that cold be to open the gates at the edges first to allow some lessening of the pressure before opening the fencing in the worst affected spot when the crush at the back has eased a bit.
congo_red_49
Ale Ape
I'm all in favour of having every fan strapped into their seat using a roller-coaster style harness. They will be taken to their seat by a steward and strapped in for the entire 90 minutes - and have to ask permission to be walked to the toilet and refreshment kiosks when a steward is avialble to do so.
They will then be released, a row at a time, after the fans have safely left the pitch and in sufficient numbers that - should they still try to invade the pitch, can easily be managed without stewards being outnumbered. No bad behavior, no constant standing during the game, no pitch invasions, no crushing and most importantly, no fun.
They will then be released, a row at a time, after the fans have safely left the pitch and in sufficient numbers that - should they still try to invade the pitch, can easily be managed without stewards being outnumbered. No bad behavior, no constant standing during the game, no pitch invasions, no crushing and most importantly, no fun.
Timothy Pope
I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
Those incidents were pre all seater stadiums. Thankfully we don’t have cattle pens to house fans anymore.
All I’m suggesting is a fence (could be similar to the one they erect behind the pre match warm up goal ) on the outskirts of the pitch.
It’s obviously preferable to have no barriers- but as has been seen recently, you give some people freedom and they abuse it.
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Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
Because some people abuse freedom is not an argument to deny all people freedom... unless you are in a totalitarian state.
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
And on-leave British squaddies.
Timothy Pope
I know that Nuno that I know that Nuno that I know
Denying them the freedom to run onto the pitch is not exactly totalitarian .
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Redemption
Chief Eye Roller
I'm OK with this as long as I get a tube to suck beer from. Happy to pay up front or charge by the cl.
congo_red_49
Ale Ape
We can't possibly allow beer mate - everyone turns into a rioting animal after half a pint.
Project Zeus
Steve Chettle
I wonder if it's possible to have plastic/glass/metal barriers that can raise out of the ground a couple of metres high?
These could be raised in the final few minutes if a pitch invasion is likely, but would avoid having fences around the pitch all game.
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These could be raised in the final few minutes if a pitch invasion is likely, but would avoid having fences around the pitch all game.
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Worsley Red
First Team Squad
Deterrent is all well and good, but it's insufficient. The only way to guarantee safety of players, officials, and indeed other fans, is to have no pitch invasions at all. There are always going to be a handful of idiots misbehaving to the point of criminality. So as with many things in life, the rules have to be adapted to cater for them, as opposed to the majority who actually know how to behave.