Ibrahim Sangaré

[valspoodle]

I would have thought that the preventative treatment for malaria would have improved since I lived in Malaya 70 years ago. We just took paludrine and slept under mosquito nets.

That someone like a Prem international footballer would not have been advised and closely treated for the disease when going into such territory is most disturbing, both by his parent club and his international organisation. Though I realise that the player himself has most responsibility for his own health.

 

[Otis Redding]

Wasnt up to speed from day one and the more we hope he gets up to speed the more we waste our time..

I'd argue with you that after a difficult start, prior to the AFCON tournament he was getting up to speed with things and making positive contributions, but if you're happy to completely ignore all of the mitigating factors that have impacted on the lad since, then fair enough.

 

[alabamared]

I'd argue with you that after a difficult start, prior to the AFCON tournament he was getting up to speed with things and making positive contributions, but if you're happy to completely ignore all of the mitigating factors that have impacted on the lad since, then fair enough.

Well we do have a vacancy for a scapegoat.

 

[Frank Clark’s Tash]

The point I was trying to make is that the symptoms and severity vary wildly from person to person and the outcomes are heavily dependant on early diagnosis and of course the individuals own immune system.
So 'Google says two weeks' therefore there must be something else wrong really doesn't get us any further and possibly does the lad a disservice.

I'm not disputing any of that. I just hadn't seen anyone highlighting anything around how long it can take to recover from malaria since it was first mentioned. Some may have assumed it may take months on end to get better, and I was personally surprised that it could potentially be overcome that quickly.

Whether being a top-level athlete is more or less likely to lead to a full and quick recovery I've no idea - I'm guessing you could make a case either way.

 

[HaarlemNFFC]

I remember years and years ago Didier Drogba also came back from international duty with malaria. Surely it's up to the national country to make sure its players are inoculated?

 

[Captain Sinister]

I'm not disputing any of that. I just hadn't seen anyone highlighting anything around how long it can take to recover from malaria since it was first mentioned. Some may have assumed it may take months on end to get better, and I was personally surprised that it could potentially be overcome that quickly.

Whether being a top-level athlete is more or less likely to lead to a full and quick recovery I've no idea - I'm guessing you could make a case either way.

While one would think being an athlete would make you more resilient, the physical and mental demands on an athlete are not the same as for the non-athletic.
I think to give it context, while the malarial parasite may be eradicated from the body within 2-weeks, the after effects can be a bit like the after-effects of a bad dose of the flu, only for much longer.

 

[mellison99]

I remember years and years ago Didier Drogba also came back from international duty with malaria. Surely it's up to the national country to make sure its players are inoculated?

He recovered quite quickly though!

 

[Browser79]

Malaria (and crucifixion) is easy

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

I still think he was shit before he got malaria

This is a very good point.

Maybe he will come good, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if we sold him for a loss still.

 

[George cooney]

I'd argue with you that after a difficult start, prior to the AFCON tournament he was getting up to speed with things and making positive contributions, but if you're happy to completely ignore all of the mitigating factors that have impacted on the lad since, then fair enough.

I see a good player but he lacks awareness and seems a one tracked pace in everything he does..Would suit a overseas team imo..

 

[Otis Redding]

I'm not disputing any of that. I just hadn't seen anyone highlighting anything around how long it can take to recover from malaria since it was first mentioned. Some may have assumed it may take months on end to get better, and I was personally surprised that it could potentially be overcome that quickly.

Whether being a top-level athlete is more or less likely to lead to a full and quick recovery I've no idea - I'm guessing you could make a case either way.

At a job I had in the mid-60s I worked with a Second World War veteran who had fought against the Japanese in Burma and had contacted malaria during his service there. Even though it was 20-years-later when we were colleagues he was still suffering with periodical bouts of malaria-like symptoms which would routinely lay him out completely for a week or more.

Obviously, medical science has moved-on dramatically during the 50-years-or-so since - something Sangaré, as a top-level athlete would/should have had access to - but as you seem to imply, that doesn't necessarily remove any potential longer-term effects absolutely.

 

[Cloughie1975]

At a job I had in the '60s I worked with a Second World War veteran who had fought against the Japanese in Burma and had contacted malaria during his service there. Even though it was 20-years-later when we were colleagues he was still suffering with periodical bouts of malaria-like symptoms which would routinely lay him out completely for a week or more.

Obviously, medical science has moved-on dramatically during the 50-years-or-so since - something Sangaré, as a top-level athlete would/should have had access to - but as you seem to imply, that doesn't necessarily remove any potential longer-term effects absolutely.

Similarly-a schoolteacher of mine in the 70’s had the same experience,Otis.

 

[Otis Redding]

Similarly-a schoolteacher of mine in the 70’s had the same experience,Otis.

I remember him telling me Cloughie to imagine having the worst dose of flue ever, and double it on 3, maybe 4-times-a-year.

 

[Cloughie1975]

I remember him telling me Cloughie to imagine having the worst dose of flue ever, and double it on 3, maybe 4-times-a-year.

Yes,I remember my teacher having several spells off because of it.
It sounds nasty to me (not withstanding better modern treatments presumably).

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

I'm not qualified in healthcare yet, I'm just studying it at the moment via the ncim, so correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the long term affects of Malaria generally be affected by Sangare's immune & detox systems?

Generally speaking, the better shape they are in the quicker his body will shift and recover from Malaria (and modern medicine will assist and speed up process), at least that's the theory.

So, if Sangare has taken an age to shift it's affects, theoretically those systems can't be in very good shape. And seeing as they are inherently linked with general fitness and well being anyway, then a long recovery would actually be a bigger cause for concern than if he's just had a bad season say due to confidence and settling in, as his core body functions will be more like that of a normal person than an elite athlete?

?

 

[Monkman]

I'd go one further than that Alf. Sangare is clearly such a poor excuse for a human being that he probably gave himself malaria without even going near any mosquitos.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

I'd go one further than that Alf. Sangare is clearly such a poor excuse for a human being that he probably gave himself malaria without even going near any mosquitos.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

See this is what I'm running off....

The liver is well known as that organ which is obligately required for the intrahepatocyte development of the pre-erythrocytic stages of the malaria-causative agent Plasmodium. However, largely neglected is the fact that the liver is also a central player of the host defense against the morbidity- and mortality-causing blood stages of the malaria parasites. Indeed, the liver is equipped with a unique immune system that acts locally, however, with systemic impact. Its main “antipodal” functions are to recognize and to generate effective immunoreactivity against pathogens on the one hand, and to generate tolerance to avoid immunoreactivity with “self” and harmless substances as dietary compounds on the other hand.

Liver-inherent immune system: its role in blood-stage malaria - PMC

The liver is well known as that organ which is obligately required for the intrahepatocyte development of the pre-erythrocytic stages of the malaria-causative agent Plasmodium. However, largely neglected is the fact that the liver is also a central ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

...so, seeing as Chloroquine phosphate is one of the go-to medications to kill the parasite, then it stands to reason that both medication and parasites have to be detoxed through the liver, kidneys and skin.

That occurring quickly would indicate a healthy detox system, and thus a healthy athlete. That being sluggish would suggest the opposite.

All in theory of course, maybe someone qualified will be able to set me straight?

 

[Monkman]

I will say that the lengths you'll go to to discredit him are truly impressive.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

I will say that the lengths you'll go to to discredit him are truly impressive.

Just bouncing ideas around, but whatever helps you cope

 

[Otis Redding]

I'm reasonably confident that the lad will be fit and raring to go come pre-season training time.

 

[Monkman]

Just bouncing ideas around, but whatever helps you cope

The plausible malaria excuse must have been frustrating for you until you came up with your rebuttal

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

The plausible malaria excuse must have been frustrating for you until you came up with your rebuttal

I'd just sooner it not be true. As I've stated above, if it is then that's a sign that Sangare really isn't in Prem condition.

Not saying he can't be brought up to speed, but...if the theory is correct...he certainly wasn't up to Prem standard health wise.

Of course, I'm just theorizing based on study. Someone more qualified will know far more.

 

[Frank Clark’s Tash]

I'd just sooner it not be true. As I've stated above, if it is then that's a sign that Sangare really isn't in Prem condition.

Not saying he can't be brought up to speed, but...if the theory is correct...he certainly wasn't up to Prem standard health wise.

Of course, I'm just theorizing based on study. Someone more qualified will know far more.

TBF he's probably fitter than 99% of the people who catch malaria.

 

[Est.1865]

Did Origi have it too