How much to exit the embargo?

[puds1970]

I think it says so much for the greed that exists in the game nowadays is that we have been hamstrung massively not by transfer fees but by the fact we can only offer £10k per week in wages which is stopping us sign very average players that can't get a game for their club.

 

[RedTe]

I think it says so much for the greed that exists in the game nowadays is that we have been hamstrung massively not by transfer fees but by the fact we can only offer £10k per week in wages which is stopping us sign very average players that can't get a game for their club.

Disagree. The problem is the transfer fees which means we can ONLY sign people who are without a club or loanees. Most Championship players are on less than £10k p/w. Jamie Ward got a pay rise when he came here.

 

[puds1970]

Disagree. The problem is the transfer fees which means we can ONLY sign people who are without a club or loanees. Most Championship players are on less than £10k p/w. Jamie Ward got a pay rise when he came here.

I'm not sure many players that would improve this football club would be willing to play for £10k a week. But I'm sure there are many that we could get on loan for a reasonably small fee that would.

 

[RedTe]

I'm not sure many players that would improve this football club would be willing to play for £10k a week. But I'm sure there are many that we could get on loan for a reasonably small fee that would.

If we could pay a small fee for a young League 1 or League 2 player with a point to prove, I'm sure they wouldn't begrudge less than £10,000 p/w.

As for loanees, most clubs would be happy to pay a fair amount of the players wages to comply with FFP just to give the guy game time. Someone like Gardner is bound to be on more than £10,000 p/w given that he has games under his belt for Villa's first team dating back to 2011.

The fact that we're not paying clubs or agents is causing us all sorts of grief also.

 

[puds1970]

If we could pay a small fee for a young League 1 or League 2 player with a point to prove, I'm sure they wouldn't begrudge less than £10,000 p/w.

As for loanees, most clubs would be happy to pay a fair amount of the players wages to comply with FFP just to give the guy game time. Someone like Gardner is bound to be on more than £10,000 p/w given that he has games under his belt for Villa's first team dating back to 2011.

The fact that we're not paying clubs or agents is causing us all sorts of grief also.

Oh I'm not saying that there aren't other issues arising from working under FFP restrictions.
As you say we would largely have to dip into league 1 and league 2 to get players that will play for £10k a week. And that is the point I am making.

 

[RedTe]

Oh I'm not saying that there aren't other issues arising from working under FFP restrictions.
As you say we would largely have to dip into league 1 and league 2 to get players that will play for £10k a week. And that is the point I am making.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. The majority of Championship players are on significantly less than £10k. Our players are on significantly more and that is why we are embargoed and most other clubs aren't.

 

[twobob]

Impossible to replace Lansbury or Antonio without spending anything. Hopefully this will have taught restraint, although with Fawaz I doubt he's learned a thing.

Difficult but not impossible, Oliver Burke and Ben Osborn are developing nicely.

 

[Strummer]

Difficult but not impossible, Oliver Burke and Ben Osborn are developing nicely.

As of course are Tyler Walker and Jorge Grant.

That's four squad players who have come from the Nigel Doughty Academy.

 

[UndisclosedFee]

I'm not sure many players that would improve this football club would be willing to play for £10k a week. But I'm sure there are many that we could get on loan for a reasonably small fee that would.

That sentence speaks volumes. I doubt very much that the Bournemouth squad that got promoted last season were on that high a wage, or Brentford, who finished above us and played much better. Wolves culled their squad when they were in league 1, to get rid of their high paid players, and THEY finished above us. The whole culture of our club has been wrong wrong wrong for so long, buying players that are 'proven' at this level, then releasing them at the end of their contracts or selling them for a loss. What we clearly should be doing is developing our own players and using them where possible, then topping up the squad with players from lower leagues, whose value is likely to go UP, not down.

It's not an accident that we are losing more money every month than nearly every other club, and that we finish lower in the league.

 

[stockers]

Did we really need Tesche last year? If imagines he's on ten times the wages of grant. Current football managers obsession with buying players is what's destroying football. The harm done to a squad by having these stupid wage disparities can't be ignored..

 

[God of atheism]

Interesting statement from this article...

http://mobile.football-league.co.uk/news/article/2015/football-league-ffp-guidance-2632728.aspx#

Blackburn Rovers and Nottingham Forest continue to be subject to FFP embargoes relating to their returns for 2013/14 season. Both clubs will have the opportunity to remove their existing embargo during the remainder of the current transfer window by using any funds raised from player sales to cover previous losses.

So if we sell Antonio now for good money we can start buying again. How much in FFP debt are we?

 

[Arthur's Cape]

I think transfer fees are split over the course of a contract. So if Britt was signed for £5 million up front on a four year contract, that's an expense of £1.25 for each of those years, rather than just £5m on the 2014/15 books.

I'm still not sure if outgoing transfers work the same way, though, but it would piss on the chips of anyone thinking we can sell Antonio and instantly clear the losses if they did.

I would think any player sales are fully realised on the balance sheet immediately whether as cash or an outstanding debtor

 

[Bonalair]

Interesting statement from this article...

http://mobile.football-league.co.uk/news/article/2015/football-league-ffp-guidance-2632728.aspx#

Blackburn Rovers and Nottingham Forest continue to be subject to FFP embargoes relating to their returns for 2013/14 season. Both clubs will have the opportunity to remove their existing embargo during the remainder of the current transfer window by using any funds raised from player sales to cover previous losses.

So if we sell Antonio now for good money we can start buying again. How much in FFP debt are we?

Roll up roll up, get yer Antonio here, only £15m

 

[Alexandro Garibaldi]

I would think any player sales are fully realised on the balance sheet immediately whether as cash or an outstanding debtor

Presumably then, if we use the 'Antonio money' to right ourselves for the 2013/14 season (which we're being punished for now), we can't then include that amount on this season's revenues. Plus there's no way our books for 2014/15 will balance, so we'll be back in a new embargo by January. So we'd get about a week to panic buy an Antonio replacement and then not be able to buy anyone else for two years.

Or we could just ride this one out, eh?

 

[SLM92NF]

Interesting statement from this article...

http://mobile.football-league.co.uk/news/article/2015/football-league-ffp-guidance-2632728.aspx#

Blackburn Rovers and Nottingham Forest continue to be subject to FFP embargoes relating to their returns for 2013/14 season. Both clubs will have the opportunity to remove their existing embargo during the remainder of the current transfer window by using any funds raised from player sales to cover previous losses.

So if we sell Antonio now for good money we can start buying again. How much in FFP debt are we?

You're talking about realistically having to raise £15m from sale of players.

Even so is losing Antonio really worth it to have a few months out of embargo?

 

[Arthur's Cape]

Presumably then, if we use the 'Antonio money' to right ourselves for the 2013/14 season (which we're being punished for now), we can't then include that amount on this season's revenues. Plus there's no way our books for 2014/15 will balance, so we'll be back in a new embargo by January. So we'd get about a week to panic buy an Antonio replacement and then not be able to buy anyone else for two years.

Or we could just ride this one out, eh?

I think (with limited knowledge) that it would only have a bearing on 14/15, but would go along way to showing the FA we are getting our shit together. For what it is worth my personal view is that the umbongo has done us a huge favour in trying to control costs and hope we don't go daft as soon as we are out.

 

[Mr RayReardon]

Say for example we sell Lansbury for £5m and Antonio for £7m, shouldn't we be getting pretty close to the exit figure? We've lost Mackie's £25k or so per week, released loads more in Collins, Lars, Halford and Harding which will be around £50k per week too. Surely we're not miles off coming out of this thing? The wages save £4m, transfer fees £12m and we lost £22m.

We're allowed to lose £8m, the numbers comfortably have us inside the figures required....

Think we're allowed to lose £15m next year, given the smaller squad and potentially big earners released/left I think we'll probably just fall under.

Any money we raise in transfer funds we could use to strengthen but not until next year when the next set of accounts are released.

 

[GaribaldiReds]

hope we don't go daft as soon as we are out.

f*** that we need a third star pronto :bigboss: