Financial Fair Play (FFP)

[Captain Sinister]

Seeing as the same teams are yo-yoing between Prem and Championship, in a competition that is heavily biased by parachute payments, the time has come to end promotion and relegation.
It's tough on those with aspirations, but they are clinging to an impossible dream.
Forest managed it, but the EPL tightened the rules on FFP, so as to try and close that window of opportunity, but they are likelt to be the last.
Football is not competitive by virtue of footballing talent anymore.
It is purely a competition to hoover up as much money as possible by already mega-rich owners with dubious backgrounds.
The fit and proper owner test is nothing but a tissue... a joke.
Even FFP is a joke, and only applies to those not members of the "big 6".

 

[Notcher]

Seeing as the same teams are yo-yoing between Prem and Championship, in a competition that is heavily biased by parachute payments, the time has come to end promotion and relegation.
It's tough on those with aspirations, but they are clinging to an impossible dream.
Forest managed it, but the EPL tightened the rules on FFP, so as to try and close that window of opportunity, but they are likelt to be the last.
Football is not competitive by virtue of footballing talent anymore.
It is purely a competition to hoover up as much money as possible by already mega-rich owners with dubious backgrounds.
The fit and proper owner test is nothing but a tissue... a joke.
Even FFP is a joke, and only applies to those not members of the "big 6".

End the jeopardy of relegation and I walk away from football.

It's a huge part of the excitement and the dream of every club below the PL.

You also have a situation whereby the last quarter of the season is effectively a dead rubber for most teams.



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[Rzar]

Seeing as the same teams are yo-yoing between Prem and Championship, in a competition that is heavily biased by parachute payments, the time has come to end promotion and relegation.
It's tough on those with aspirations, but they are clinging to an impossible dream.
Forest managed it, but the EPL tightened the rules on FFP, so as to try and close that window of opportunity, but they are likelt to be the last.
Football is not competitive by virtue of footballing talent anymore.
It is purely a competition to hoover up as much money as possible by already mega-rich owners with dubious backgrounds.
The fit and proper owner test is nothing but a tissue... a joke.
Even FFP is a joke, and only applies to those not members of the "big 6".

You solution to the problems you listed is like trying to hammer a nail into a wall with a banana

 

[Robertson]

End the jeopardy of relegation and I walk away from football.

It's a huge part of the excitement and the dream of every club below the PL.

You also have a situation whereby the last quarter of the season is effectively a dead rubber for most teams.



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Not if they introduce qualification to the newly created UEFA fourth tier tournament for teams placed 11-15th

 

[Captain Sinister]

You solution to the problems you listed is like trying to hammer a nail into a wall with a banana

...shovelling shit against an incoming tide was what we in Gedling used to say.

 

[Captain Sinister]

End the jeopardy of relegation and I walk away from football.

It's a huge part of the excitement and the dream of every club below the PL.

You also have a situation whereby the last quarter of the season is effectively a dead rubber for most teams.



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I agree.
However, other than the love for my Nottingham Forest, I gave up of professional football years ago.
I will always support Forest, but the rest of football disappeared when the Premier League was formed, and the way it has gone ever since.

 

[Rzar]

...shovelling shit against an incoming tide was what we in Gedling used to say.

It's the clubs job to come up and compete better. We proved you can, the last 6 to come up have recruited embarrassingly & everyone knew that in pre-season.

The last 2 seasons have been incompetency of the promoted teams, the whole game doesn't need rewriting because of it.

Us, Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton, Fulham, Wolves have all managed to come up & stay up in recent years - fairly comfortably in most of those cases.

 

[Robertson]

Needs a combination of pragmatism, ambition and money - lots of it.

Of the six teams that have gone down the last two seasons two teams were too wedded to a ‘pure’ style of play (Southampton, Burnley), two were skint or hamstrung by FFP trouble (Leicester, Blunts), and Luton chose to pocket the money for a new ground rather than buy any decent players. Which leaves Ipswich - who did invest, but it could be argued promotion came a bit early for them, and they were always going to be up against it.

Someone says this every year but it might be that Leeds and Burnley make a better fist of it next season. Sheffield United I would expect to f*** it up. Sunderland or Coventry who knows? Bristol City seem dead and buried already.

 

[Captain Sinister]

It's the clubs job to come up and compete better. We proved you can, the last 6 to come up have recruited embarrassingly & everyone knew that in pre-season.

The last 2 seasons have been incompetency of the promoted teams, the whole game doesn't need rewriting because of it.

Us, Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton, Fulham, Wolves have all managed to come up & stay up in recent years - fairly comfortably in most of those cases.

As I wrote in my post, Forest did manage it, but that resulted in impositioon of FFP on teams, ignoring the fact that the big established clubs have been untouched by it.
FFP is applied to the clubs coming up.
As for the other promoted clubs, Bournemouth, Fulham and Wolves (?) all were in receipt of parachute payments, or came up before the iniquitous imposition of FFP.
Yes, the promoted clubs last season were spectacularly inept in recruitment, but spending constraints because of FFP, and the fact that even if relegated they get parachute money really drove that ineptitude.
Ipswich do not haven owner who has limirless deep pockets; Leicester have an owner who inherited from his soccer-mad Dad, and who doesn't have the same desire to support the club with loads of money; Southampton are owned by Sport Republic, who in 2023 were ranked as only 11th richest in the Championship - not wealthy in comparison to the Prem.
As for players: unless the deal on offer by a newly promoted club is fabulosa, their agents would probably be telling them not to sign.
It does limit the quality available to those clubs.

 

[Flaggers]

Seeing as the same teams are yo-yoing between Prem and Championship, in a competition that is heavily biased by parachute payments, the time has come to end promotion and relegation.
It's tough on those with aspirations, but they are clinging to an impossible dream.
Forest managed it, but the EPL tightened the rules on FFP, so as to try and close that window of opportunity, but they are likelt to be the last.
Football is not competitive by virtue of footballing talent anymore.
It is purely a competition to hoover up as much money as possible by already mega-rich owners with dubious backgrounds.
The fit and proper owner test is nothing but a tissue... a joke.
Even FFP is a joke, and only applies to those not members of the "big 6".

Found Phil Gartside's account on here!

I know you shouldn't speak ill of the dead but with your idea of a closed-shop Premier League, Gartside, you can go and f*** yourself.

 

[Notcher]

Some noise being made along with very detailed background that Chelsea could potentially be in line for a points deduction due to historical transfers. The main one mentioned is hazard and that Chelsea were paying agents huge off the books backhanders to gazump sales, Hazard at that time had been due to join Man Utd with a deal that had been agreed.

This is one that can where sporting advantage can directly be attributed to the offence. These are situations whereby panels tend to give out points deductions

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[Apollo11]

Some noise being made along with very detailed background that Chelsea could potentially be in line for a points deduction due to historical transfers. The main one mentioned is hazard and that Chelsea were paying agents huge off the books backhanders to gazump sales, Hazard at that time had been due to join Man Utd with a deal that had been agreed.

This is one that can where sporting advantage can directly be attributed to the offence. These are situations whereby panels tend to give out points deductions

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Didn't the same thing happen with Mikel John Obi-Wan Kenobi? He'd signed for United but refused to go as Chelsea were in his ear.

 

[Notcher]

Didn't the same thing happen with Mikel John Obi-Wan Kenobi? He'd signed for United but refused to go as Chelsea were in his ear.

I do seem to remember something about him now you mention it. The allegations surround several players around that time. It looks like the truth surrounding it is now being uncovered

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[MaxiRobriguez]

Not if they introduce qualification to the newly created UEFA fourth tier tournament for teams placed 11-15th

They can call it the UEFA Conference League North/South and the finals will be played between Heerenveen and Dunfermline (North) and Gil Vicente and Atromitos (South).

 

[Notcher]

There's taking the piss and there's taking the piss

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[enlightened]

He's a little late to the party.

 

[Ashley]

Any club outside of the Sky Sports Six tries that, and they'd probably find some way to punish them.

 

[Project Zeus]

Any club outside of the Sky Sports Six tries that, and they'd probably find some way to punish them.

Villa and Bournemouth both sold assets to themselves, didn't they?

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[Est.1865]

He's a little late to the party.

Maybe everyone else is late to that party and should be doing the same.

 

[Rzar]

Man City have been doing the same for years

They account for 77% of "City Football Group" revenue, but last year they posted a £74m profit & the group as a whole posted a £122m loss, so clubs like Melbourne City, Mumbai City, New York City, Troyes & Lommel (all of whom play in mostly profitable leagues & receive hardly any investment) lost £196m between them.

 

[Gyros Peter]

Man City have been doing the same for years

They account for 77% of "City Football Group" revenue, but last year they posted a £74m profit & the group as a whole posted a £122m loss, so clubs like Melbourne City, Mumbai City, New York City, Troyes & Lommel (all of whom play in mostly profitable leagues & receive hardly any investment) lost £196m between them.

No doubt they'll soon get found out though. Or not.

 

[Rzar]

No doubt they'll soon get found out though. Or not.

Well they aren't doing anything illegal, nor are Chelsea.

Most MCO's split the costs to benefit certain clubs, that is why fans hate them when they are not the top dog as they just become dumping grounds for clubs to put costs.

We are different in that regard as Forest, Rio Ave & Olympiacos are completely financially independent from each other despite having the same owner. Almost all other MCO's are in the same company & a way for owners to diversify & move money around.

The rules are a farce but we already knew that.

 

[valspoodle]

As one who has gone through life just doing accounts on the back of a fag packet and buying and selling on guessing the ups and downs of life, all this high finance (or double-dealing) passes me by.

It's not my money and as long as NFFC keep going, I don't really give a monkey's.

Having had to deal with lawyers and accountants at times, I'm not surprised at the amount of chicanery that goes on or the amount of cash that is involved in the underhanded stuff, allegedly.

 

[Gyros Peter]

Well they aren't doing anything illegal, nor are Chelsea.

Most MCO's split the costs to benefit certain clubs, that is why fans hate them when they are not the top dog as they just become dumping grounds for clubs to put costs.

We are different in that regard as Forest, Rio Ave & Olympiacos are completely financially independent from each other despite having the same owner. Almost all other MCO's are in the same company & a way for owners to diversify & move money around.

The rules are a farce but we already knew that.

I was referring to City's infamous 115 charges.

What I do find frustrating is that the rule book is often altered after to the fact to stop other clubs employing the same tactics/shenanigans the twat six have...

It's almost like they have a head start in that regard, and I've no doubt if we invented a loophole we'd find it closed on top of us with a deduction and fine in that same season.

 

[Raymondo Ponte']

As one who has gone through life just doing accounts on the back of a fag packet and buying and selling on guessing the ups and downs of life, all this high finance (or double-dealing) passes me by.

It's not my money and as long as NFFC keep going, I don't really give a monkey's.

Having had to deal with lawyers and accountants at times, I'm not surprised at the amount of chicanery that goes on or the amount of cash that is involved in the underhanded stuff, allegedly.

Spot on Vals, corruption is King.

Where's there's money there's a swindle. It's rife.

Ja want any counterfiet 50's Vals? Get ya a grands woth fer 900.