Everybody used to love Gareth

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EmmersonForest4

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Rzar said:
Southgate's main issue is his lack of tactical awareness and allergic reaction to taking risks.

If he can be Southgate but knows how to outthink other managers he will be a great appointment.
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Exactly! Deschamps is a defensive manager but he can pull a result out. Southgate is a defensive manager who cant pull a result out when it matters.

I dont think the play style suits our teams strengths but if the new manager wins the world cup and we are like France for example I wont complain.

Carsley has won tournaments previoulsy and Southgate has no experience of winning. Also we can still be defensive but have a higher xG like France. So we can create more and still not be completely open.

Its a misnoma to think that Southgates only problem is what style he has. His main problem is being outhought tactically by nearly all managers he faces so he relies on individual brilliance instead of team cohesion.
 
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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
I want Klopp but failing that Carsley or Howe. I do have a slight doubt about Potter.

The FA though need to look at grassroots. I think the only part of the English game that looks ropey is midfielders playing under pressure. I don’t think it helps playing on grass in England at grassroots. I know it sounds sacrilege but because of the weather it makes playing in midfield a nightmare. I do think hybrid pitches are the way forward and getting kids in early practicing on nice flat pitches.

I’m not bashing the FA I actually think they deserve credit because we’ve improved so much anyway. The amount of tournaments we are winning is unprecedented. Just need better coaches and better centre midfielders.
 
Alan Akbah

Alan Akbah

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Fat Sam says it should be an Ingerlishman.

I cannot possibly imagine who Fat Sam had in mind.
 
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„Fat Sam 2: Electric Boogaloo“
 
DanR

DanR

Steve Chettle
The table at the Chinese restaurant (cue @Alvar Hanso who also eats there) is already booked.
 
Danga

Danga

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Alan Akbah said:
That said Southgate deserves people's respect. He got us to the semis and finals that "bigger managers", the likes of Terry Vegetables, Howard Wilknson, Glen Hoddle and Fabio Capello, could only dream of.
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Personally I think it is difficult to compare as IMO it is a pretty poor period of international football. This Spain team would have been battered by the great Spain team of a few years ago. There was nothing special about the Argentina side that won the last World Cup. In Europe your traditional 'power houses' like Spain, France, Italy, Portugal, Germany are all pretty middling. Even Brazil are pretty shite these days.
 
BryanRoy22

BryanRoy22

Bob McKinlay

I mean, this is an almost a good point from Hargreaves but then you think that Brian Clough and Sir Alex were strikers.

Mourinho was a midfielder but not really successful as a player. Emery was a midfielder. Deschamps too. Zidane has been a great manager.

But then people always forget about Rinus Michels, another forward. One of the greatest managers of all time.

Does it mean more in modern times that an ex-midfielder will be a better manager?
 
Col Steve Austin

Col Steve Austin

Viv Anderson
BryanRoy22 said:

I mean, this is an almost a good point from Hargreaves but then you think that Brian Clough and Sir Alex were strikers.

Mourinho was a midfielder but not really successful as a player. Emery was a midfielder. Deschamps too. Zidane has been a great manager.

But then people always forget about Rinus Michels, another forward. One of the greatest managers of all time.

Does it mean more in modern times that an ex-midfielder will be a better manager?
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Yep. Not forgetting Scott Parker, Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard, Roy Keane, Ryan Giggs, Joey Barton - all legends of the managerial game.

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Gyros Peter

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
Eddie Howe is an interesting one, since he's been doing a bit of flexing around the England job. If you were in charge at Newcastle you might fancy calling that bluff and letting him on his way - I'm not sure there aren't better managers available.

Apparently he's staying put and all is rosy but...
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Ian Bowyer
Just ruminating on seeing that Gareth is on telly tonight Sir Gareth is giving the Richard Dimbleby lecture on something.

I was just brought up short by seeing Sir Gareth in print. A knighthood, for what? Failure. You get a gong for trying to do something and failing, instead of getting a gong for actually winning something.

Sums up what is wrong with the country at the moment, I reckon.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
valspoodle said:
Just ruminating on seeing that Gareth is on telly tonight Sir Gareth is giving the Richard Dimbleby lecture on something.

I was just brought up short by seeing Sir Gareth in print. A knighthood, for what? Failure. You get a gong for trying to do something and failing, instead of getting a gong for actually winning something.

Sums up what is wrong with the country at the moment, I reckon.
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I'm not sure that success or failure is necessarily binary here.

Before Southgate we had won the World Cup once, and most posters on here weren't born at the time.

The only other times we'd come even close to winning anything was the semi finals of Euro 96 at home and Italia 90.

Southgate never won anything either. But does that mean he failed? Two finals, losing one on penalties is much more than anyone else got apart from the one who won something.

Success is obvious but then whilst winning a title is obviously success doing better than expected should be too.

We aren't the 2nd best team in Europe let alone the world so we shouldn't be reaching finals.

Failure is like when we had 2nd choice Steve and not making it at all. Or losing in the group stages. Or losing to Iceland.
 
Barry

Barry

Where's me hammer?
Statto said:
I'm not sure that success or failure is necessarily binary here.

Before Southgate we had won the World Cup once, and most posters on here weren't born at the time.

The only other times we'd come even close to winning anything was the semi finals of Euro 96 at home and Italia 90.

Southgate never won anything either. But does that mean he failed? Two finals, losing one on penalties is much more than anyone else got apart from the one who won something.

Success is obvious but then whilst winning a title is obviously success doing better than expected should be too.

We aren't the 2nd best team in Europe let alone the world so we shouldn't be reaching finals.

Failure is like when we had 2nd choice Steve and not making it at all. Or losing in the group stages. Or losing to Iceland.
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Southgate was a loser just like the rest, if he'd have had some bollocks at key points he'd have been a winner. He didn't so he wasn't

Nobody likes a bloke with no bollocks.

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Barry said:
Southgate was a loser just like the rest, if he'd have had some bollocks at key points he'd have been a winner. He didn't so he wasn't

Nobody likes a bloke with no bollocks.
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It‘s a great point that.

Germany, for example, would never appoint a manager with no bollocks. I mean, for God‘s sake, Joachim „Jogi“ Löw had such bollocks he was content to fiddle with them on the sideline whilst his German side were battering some other no-mark like the Italians, or Brasil?
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Ian Bowyer
The Germans have had the knack for years, even in the 50s when an adolescent West Germany, for winning. I'm talking about football, of course.

The 1954 World Cup for example. The Germans were not even allowed to enter in 1950 and in 1954, England, who deigned to enter as a seeded team, having considered themselves too good for all the messy international football for many years (we'll forget the debacle of the 1950 WC), went out in the Quarter Finals whilst West Germany fought on and won it at the first attempt.
 
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valspoodle said:
The Germans have had the knack for years, even in the 50s when an adolescent West Germany, for winning. I'm talking about football, of course.

The 1954 World Cup for example. The Germans were not even allowed to enter in 1950 and in 1954, England, who deigned to enter as a seeded team, having considered themselves too good for all the messy international football for many years (we'll forget the debacle of the 1950 WC), went out in the Quarter Finals whilst West Germany fought on and won it at the first attempt.
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Ah, the famous Miracle of Bern.

The West German side, who as you say VP, had been shunned from the 1950 edition, upset Hungary, the greatest team in world football at that time.

Captained by 1. FC Kaiserslautern‘s Fritz Walter (who spent his entire career at „FCK“) and coached by the legendary Sepp Herberger, W. Germany were completely unfancied, because everyone knew how good Hungary were and (at that point) they had not lost a game for about four years. The Germans had rested some players in the Group Stage, and lost 8-3 to the Magyars.

Indeed, Hungary stormed into a two-goal lead, before the Germans came roaring back, Helmut Rahn of Rot-Weiß Essen scoring what turned out to be the winner, six minutes from time.

It is difficult nowadays to accurately tell what this meant not only for German football, but for Germany itself. The country - or, at least, the western part of it - had been an international pariah since the end of WWII, and the success in claiming the Jules Rimet Trophy led them back into the fold of international football, and for ordinary Germans, who’d been in many case demonised following the events of 1933-45, it gave them a bit of pride in their (as then, new) country, and well, look how the now-combined Germany have done since.
 
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