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[forestzoe]

This actually really touched me this afternoon, I'm pissed off that some degenerates are already being vile racists towards the young lads who stepped up for pens tonight. I'm pissed off at the dickheads causing trouble cos we lost. I'm pissed off at those who stormed Wembley.

I was kind of resigned to losing tonight anyway but the actions of these knuckle draggers and twatbadgers are making me ashamed. That 1 tweet showed how far we have come and it seems a section of our fans are determined to drag us backwards again. That's what I'm pissed off with tonight

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[Francis Benali (on loan)]

The Jorginho challenge might have made a difference, we don't know. But there wasn't a long time left. And he missed his penalty. So it may not have made much difference.

The Chiellini foul was correct by the laws of the game, but it just highlights how messed up they are at times. Because there's a defender back it's not a clear goalscoring opportunity, but he's got a good run at a defender who won't fancy it and a very good chance of teeing up another player to win the game. And just the foul itself is barroom brawl stuff.
There ought to a be a rule that makes that a red, but Chiellini knows there isn't and that's why he does it. I'd argue in any situation where players deliberately takes a yellow card, a yellow card is not punishment enough. There shouldn't be anything in the rules that make cheating a good option.

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

This has been coming all tournament. Play not too lose and you tend not too win. Southgate finally shifted Sterling to the right, but instead of picking Grealish he played Mount. Both were anonymous, so maybe he was right to have left Sterlibg on the left. But as soon as Grealish came on the game changed. Just took Southgate an hour too long to make that decision.

And to anyone who thinks Jorghino should've stayed on the pitch, that was a red back in the 80s. Totally over the top of the ball. Disgraceful. What the f*** is VAR for?

And yes, Italy were the better team, but they didn't beat us until shabby penalties.
I'm sure analytics decided who took them and when, but simple psychology should've said that Saka shouldn't take the last one.

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

The Jorginho challenge might have made a difference, we don't know. But there wasn't a long time left. And he missed his penalty. So it may not have made much difference.

The Chiellini foul was correct by the laws of the game, but it just highlights how messed up they are at times. Because there's a defender back it's not a clear goalscoring opportunity, but he's got a good run at a defender who won't fancy it and a very good chance of teeing up another player to win the game. And just the foul itself is barroom brawl stuff.
There ought to a be a rule that makes that a red, but Chiellini knows there isn't and that's why he does it. I'd argue in any situation where players deliberately takes a yellow card, a yellow card is not punishment enough. There shouldn't be anything in the rules that make cheating a good option.

Ironically rugby League or Union would've seen Chiellini red carded for that foul.

 

[Masuka]

Subbing players on for penalties based on scoring a few in training is a shambles. Why are none of the senior players taking them. World Cup next year anyway and I don't see many countries with better players than ours.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

Subbing players on for penalties based on scoring a few in training is a shambles. Why are none of the senior players taking them. World Cup next year anyway and I don't see many countries with better players than ours.

Rashford is a quality penalty take so that’s not a bad sub for penalties. Nerves got to him you can’t blame Southgate for that. Sancho one I don’t know if he takes many pens but saka never looked like a decent pick. Saka was poor all game as well. Sancho should have been on before him.

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

Subbing players on for penalties based on scoring a few in training is a shambles. Why are none of the senior players taking them. World Cup next year anyway and I don't see many countries with better players than ours.

I agree, but you can guarantee it was all based on some statistical model and training drills. I don't blame any of those kids for missing, but I do blame the management team for putting them in that position.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

This actually really touched me this afternoon, I'm pissed off that some degenerates are already being vile racists towards the young lads who stepped up for pens tonight. I'm pissed off at the dickheads causing trouble cos we lost. I'm pissed off at those who stormed Wembley.

I was kind of resigned to losing tonight anyway but the actions of these knuckle draggers and twatbadgers are making me ashamed. That 1 tweet showed how far we have come and it seems a section of our fans are determined to drag us backwards again. That's what I'm pissed off with tonight

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I’m not proud of this at all. Football isn’t politics I don’t like a football team because of it’s political angle. If we know anything about politics we know it’s divisive and shouldn’t be put into football. England before wasn’t representing racism because it dosen’t do the things it does now before it was an apolitical thing that we just enjoyed. I find it distressing that the okay way she can enjoy England is of they show their virtuosity.

Could she support Brentford who do not take the knee? Does she think that Brentford don’t care about equal
Opportunities for all because they don’t show their virtuosity? Honestly this is the absolute last prism we should be viewing football at. Just enjoy the game and your team.

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

The shabby media will be backing Southgate all the way, but I can guarantee that after watching that cowardly abrogation of responsibility the great man would have some seriously harsh words. We weren't unlucky, we killed ourselves by leaving game changers on the bench and picking inferior players to try and not lose; an anathema to Mr Clough I think.

 

[forestzoe]

I’m not proud of this at all. Football isn’t politics I don’t like a football team because of it’s political angle. If we know anything about politics we know it’s divisive and shouldn’t be put into football. England before wasn’t representing racism because it dosen’t do the things it does now before it was an apolitical thing that we just enjoyed. I find it distressing that the okay way she can enjoy England is of they show their virtuosity.

Could she support Brentford who do not take the knee? Does she think that Brentford don’t care about equal
Opportunities for all because they don’t show their virtuosity? Honestly this is the absolute last prism we should be viewing football at. Just enjoy the game and your team.

I interpreted it more that because of the inclusiveness and diversity that she felt more comfortable than previously (hence her "use the 3 lions against" comment), and that she felt there was less racism about. I didn't read it so much as political but inclusive and less racist. The knuckle draggers abusing black players on SM tonight have driven a bus through that.

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[forestzoe]

From another forum I am on. And Saka's SM accounts are being spammed with banana and monkey pictures tonight. It's vile. From that tweet I posted to this and the vitriol on SM towards our black players is disgusting and heartbreaking. It also totally overshadows what the team have done in getting to the final

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[EmmersonForest4]

I interpreted it more that because of the inclusiveness and diversity that she felt more comfortable than previously (hence her "use the 3 lions against" comment), and that she felt there was less racism about. I didn't read it so much as political but inclusive and less racist. The knuckle draggers abusing black players on SM tonight have driven a bus through that.

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You see that’s the point though firstly we give far to much credence and power to the abusers who are such a small minority you wouldn’t fill a prison full of them. When all the comments on here and 99% of fans I meet don’t care what colour pigment you have in your skin and that was before we started to take the knee. I haven’t haven’t seen one Forest post complain that we have just had 2 black managers in a row. In fact Hughton from my 10 years experience on here was one of the most popular appointments we have had on here.

I know I maybe reading too much into it but before this virtuosity we weren’t racist anyway it just peeves me off that the only way she feels comfortable with the England footy team is if they show this virtuosity. It’s something that’s so obvious that it dosen’t reaffirming constantly.

 

[forestzoe]

You see that’s the point though firstly we give far to much credence and power to the abusers who are such a small minority you wouldn’t fill a prison full of them. When all the comments on here and 99% of fans I meet don’t care what colour pigment you have in your skin and that was before we started to take the knee. I haven’t haven’t seen one Forest post complain that we have just had 2 black managers in a row. In fact Hughton from my 10 years experience on here was one of the most popular appointments we have had on here.

I know I maybe reading too much into it but before this virtuosity we weren’t racist anyway it just peeves me off that the only way she feels comfortable with the England footy team is if they show this virtuosity. It’s something that’s so obvious that it dosen’t reaffirming constantly.

Unfortunately it's not a small minority, nationwide. I think at Forest we aren't too bad a bunch and pretty accepting. Nationally, We would fill multiple prisons and I wish we would. I've seen more vitriol and racism tonight on SM than I have in total for a long while.

A friend has had to delete several racist comments off one of his posts in reply to him expressing disappointment at the result, those comments were aimed at our black players. I've reported all that I've seen and called several out on it. He himself has expressed his disgust and blocked several.

Along with footage of what seems to be violence against several Italians and more. I've closed SM for the night as some of it is sickening. What a sad but predictable end to the night. And vile that people, STILL, feel confident enough to be openly racist. I despair.

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[EmmersonForest4]

Unfortunately it's not a small minority, nationwide. I think at Forest we aren't too bad a bunch and pretty accepting. Nationally, We would fill multiple prisons and I wish we would. I've seen more vitriol and racism tonight on SM than I have in total for a long while.

A friend has had to delete several racist comments off one of his posts in reply to him expressing disappointment at the result, those comments were aimed at our black players. I've reported all that I've seen and called several out on it. He himself has expressed his disgust and blocked several.

Along with footage of what seems to be violence against several Italians and more. I've closed SM for the night as some of it is sickening. What a sad but predictable end to the night. And vile that people, STILL, feel confident enough to be openly racist. I despair.

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It’s not openly racist though as these accounts anonymous. I have been on Twitter all evening and not seen any racist posts from my friends or any posts of my friends or myslef. When these things have happened previously you don’t usually get over 50 posts which in the grand scheme of things is extremely little. Even if there are a 1000 which I highly doubt it’s still a minuscule percentage of the population. There needs to be better perspective on vile online abuse. Also another point is it may not even be all English with many profiles being anonymous it’s hard to tell.
The only to stop this small minority of vile idiot trolls is to take away anonymity and it will stop overnight.

 

[forestzoe]

I've SEEN openly racist posts myself tonight, and not from anonymous accounts, though there are also plenty.of those.

I've seen them on football groups on fb, and the admins were deleting and banning as fast as they could. I've seen them on a friend's post, who merely expressed disappointment in the result, and had a load a racist shite that he had to go and delete. It's a sad fact that there's been alot about tonight, you may not have seen it but I certainly have and to pretend it isn't happening is crackers.

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[EmmersonForest4]

I've SEEN openly racist posts myself tonight, and not from anonymous accounts, though there are also plenty.of those.

I've seen them on football groups on fb, and the admins were deleting and banning as fast as they could. I've seen them on a friend's post, who merely expressed disappointment in the result, and had a load a racist shite that he had to go and delete. It's a sad fact that there's been alot about tonight, you may not have seen it but I certainly have and to pretend it isn't happening is crackers.

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I’ve acknowledged it happen. Just questioning the proportionate response to it all. It’s like Covid you are never going to have a Covid free world just like you will never ever have social media free from racist remarks. It’s just what narrative you want to place on it. From the amount I’ve seen and read in my experience it’s not enough to suggest we have a racist society and that the women in question that you posted couldn’t support us because of it. I went to England vs Wales in euro 2016 and I didn’t hear one racist comment. There are 54 million English people so even if there is a 1000 which it won’t be you are not even scratching the sides.
We have a squad that is over represented by Black Englishman and no one gives a toss. I’m not denying racist comments but in my experience I’ve never seen enough of it to suggest that black or Asian can’t support England. Most of us are rightly appalled by it. Most of it is also anonymous and that being the case it may not be English and it maybe professional trolls who want to say the nastiest thing they can think of to get attention. It’s supremely sad and I wish social media companies would ban anonymity.

 

[forestzoe]

Most of us are indeed rightly appalled by it, and that's why it should be called out. Each and every time or else it will grow as its seen as acceptable if not challenged. Or because its only a small minority the BAME section of society should just ignore it? That's OK then

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[GreeksBearingGifts]

England lost the game in the first half when they could kill the game since Italy was shocked, making a lot of serious mistakes. But they sat deep very early waiting without playing a lot.

In a sense, Southgate fell victim to the praise he has (rightly) received in this tournament for his cynicism. He did a simple formation trick (three in the back, giving his quality full backs plenty of space on the flanks) and it worked perfectly. But instead of killing the game in the first half hour he then preferred to resort to very defensive tricks: three defence zones, absorving pressure, let them cross if they want.

The match was lost long before the penalties. You can't play Italian catenaccio when you have at your disposal several hundred millions worth of attacking talent.

Sorry to pour salt on a fresh wound, but if you wanted to bring football home, you should have played more of it in the final.

 

[Trents]

Having slept on it, I'm still annoyed. It seems to me that we had an opportunity last night to show the world that English football has moved to a new level. What did we show the world? That we are stuck in the dark ages? Negative defensive football? Sit back and let them keep coming at us in waves. Send on our young talent with minutes to go and then ask them to take pressure penalties? What happened to senior players taking responsibility? We had them on the ropes and we let them off! Not by trying to win but by not trying to lose! I would much rather have lost it having a go to win it. I don't hold out much hope for the world cup.

 

[Francis Benali (on loan)]

"It's coming home needs" to be retired. Not even so much the song. They're all like the Xmas songs that inevitably come out each time. But the tagline all over the internet, the media and on the streets. It was amusing when it resurfaced three years ago when England were unexpectedly good. But kill it now, please.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

"It's coming home needs" to be retired. Not even so much the song. They're all like the Xmas songs that inevitably come out each time. But the tagline all over the internet, the media and on the streets. It was amusing when it resurfaced three years ago when England were unexpectedly good. But kill it now, please.

I think "It's Coming Rome" might naturally do that to some degree anyway.

Vindaloo was a much better song anyroad

 

[Barbus]

In find it hard to heap all the blame on Southgate because we'll never know if we'd have even got to the final with someone else in charge, he did get us there.
But it has to be said he made several errors on the night. Not making changes in early the second half when we couldn't get the ball off Italy.
Bringing on 2 cold lads right at the death to take penalties. And the picks for the pens.
Italy shouldn't really have been allowed to miss 2 penalties and still win.

I still can't believe a 19 yo kid just breaking into the team was tasked with taking the final winner takes it all penalty.



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[Francis Benali (on loan)]

I think "It's Coming Rome" might naturally do that to some degree anyway.

Thought if anything that just made him a classless man look a little more classless. Steward should have kicked him out on Tuesday.

That it clearly riles opposition - Italy, Denmark, Croatia I think would be the only reason to keep it going. But it's just annoying. We way beyond the point of it being done to death.

 

[Francis Benali (on loan)]

They'd have definitely have taken Pickford saving two. No England keeper has ever done that. Pickford was fantastic all match. And but for a couple of shakey moments in the semi final, all tournament.

What Southgate and England's analysts won't be given much credit for in that shoot out, is that Pickford didn't put in the best performance of an England goalkeeper in a shoot-out by himself. We know a load of planning went into that. That he'd save from Jorginho I thought was the most predictable thing of the shoot-out. Take impulses out of it under pressure, and behave in a rehearsed way, then Jorginho takes the worst penalties. Pickford they always say, is quite impulsive. Having him hold his nerve under that pressure and not flinch must take work. But get him to do that and he'll surely save from Jorginho.

On one side of the shoot out, England got everything right. On the other, we missed three out of five. Only in 2006 had we got it that wrong before. The momentum all turned on Rashford's penalty coming back off the post. Then we crumbled.

 

[Project Zeus]

On a more positive note, this tournament has made me love football again. I've not felt this gutted after a match for a long, long time.

The last few years of Forest have really sapped the enjoyment out of it. It's been good to remember why I like the sport again.

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