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Lyle James Alfred Taylor

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Grenville Morris
NooForest said:
Not just those 2 negatives


I can recount virtually nothing positive that makes me want to keep him
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we must be watching a different side then...

In the world of Nottingham Forest flops, Lyle Taylor doesn't even figure on the Richter scale...

In fact I'd go so far as to say he might even be a good player-I say might because I haven't seen enough to be sure either way...
 
DizzyBala

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Jack Armstrong
I think if we get a reasonable offer, we should look to cut him loose.
He's not going to play over Grabban and he doesn't strike me as someone that's an impact sub, he needs to be the main man like he was at Charlton.

All things considered, signing him made sense and was even on paper, a good signing. It's just not really worked out.
The fact Grabban didn't have a good season, was injured for a third of it and Taylor still got usurped from the starting spot kind of says it all.
 
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Francis Benali (on loan)

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NooForest said:
There you go - He doesn't even have the instinct to get into positions to score
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That was what I felt watching during his run in the side before Christmas. Not that he didn't take chances, more that so long as we played with him at front, there weren't any.

Grabban when he's off form misses, and he did that quite a bit. But when Grabban plays you know he will get a chance.

Taylor was unlucky when he came on a put that one in late at Watford. he was offside, so not that unlucky. But he finished it well. Had he been a yard further back and done that to get us a point at the second best side in the league, then perhaps it could have kick-started his season. But that really was the only moment, after for the odd goals he got against relegation fodder when he first got in the side, where he looked like a good Championship forward.
 
Master Yates

Master Yates

John Robertson
NooForest said:
There you go - He doesn't even have the instinct to get into positions to score
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Weird logic. He could be in the best positions to score all game and every game. If nobody gives him the ball he’s not going to score is he?


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Cortez the Killer

Cortez the Killer

Impressive member
I was hopeful last summer when we signed him but he's been poor. I don't like divers either, and Taylor is guilty of resorting to that too.

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Rzar

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Bob McKinlay
I was the same. Happy when he came in but he has really unwhelmed for me.

I just don't see much quality to his game.
 
TommyT

TommyT

Jack Burkitt
Obviously people have differing measures of good and bad.

but I think due to the fact we have been such a mediocre side for years means we seem to confuse good players with functional players...Lyle occasionally demonstrated the basics of being a striker...occasionally beat his man, occasionally found space, occasionally got on the end of a cross, occasionally scored...etc etc. None of that means he’s good at the level we need.
 
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Grenville Morris
This whole thread is deteriorating into a pointless “he said she said” discussion with about 1/3 of contestants saying he might be ok and hasn’t been given a chance and the rest “knowing” (in that LTLF way) that hes pants.

All in all it’s a bit pointless. How about we get onto something less controversial like the Middle East peace process or why we can’t produce a test quality spin bowler?
 
TommyT

TommyT

Jack Burkitt
cheapseats said:
This whole thread is deteriorating into a pointless “he said she said” discussion with about 1/3 of contestants saying he might be ok and hasn’t been given a chance and the rest “knowing” (in that LTLF way) that hes pants.

All in all it’s a bit pointless. How about we get onto something less controversial like the Middle East peace process or why we can’t produce a test quality spin bowler?
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I think this chat points to a broader misuse of the word ‘good’ ... Lyle, as with Cyrus, as with all the other dingbats have not been good this season, they occasionally did the basics. Nothing more.

The fact he didn’t play much is for the birds.

He’s about as much use to us as another conference about a 2 party state is to the Middle East...

Groundhog Day gradually spiralling into utter shit-show
 
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Grenville Morris
TommyT said:
I think this chat points to a broader misuse of the word ‘good’ ... Lyle, as with Cyrus, as with all the other dingbats have not been good this season, they occasionally did the basics. Nothing more.

The fact he didn’t play much is for the birds.
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I don't think anyone thinks he was much cop this season, but its fairly obvious that players need runs of playing in the team to get up to full speed and build relationships with their teammates, which Taylor didn't get, I don't know whether a run in the team would see him come good, and I'm not saying we should give him a shot as #1 striker or anything, but getting game time is important for players
 
TommyT

TommyT

Jack Burkitt
cms186 said:
I don't think anyone thinks he was much cop this season, but its fairly obvious that players need runs of playing in the team to get up to full speed and build relationships with their teammates, which Taylor didn't get, I don't know whether a run in the team would see him come good, and I'm not saying we should give him a shot as #1 striker or anything, but getting game time is important for players
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That makes it sound like given time, any player will come good, which is clearly not the case...my point is more a general one where we seem to be happy enough watching functional players or letting them have the benefit of the doubt...balls to that, if they don't perform or aren't getting picked because of lack of ability or any other reason the manager deems good enough, we should get rid.

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TommyT

TommyT

Jack Burkitt
I just think we have a habit of being overly sentimental about the fantasy of a player, or indeed a manager... the myth of the 'if only'


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Francis Benali (on loan)

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cheapseats said:
This whole thread is deteriorating into a pointless “he said she said” discussion with about 1/3 of contestants saying he might be ok and hasn’t been given a chance and the rest “knowing” (in that LTLF way) that hes pants.

All in all it’s a bit pointless.
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First day? Welcome.
 
Frank Clark’s Tash

Frank Clark’s Tash

Jack Burkitt
Before last seasons all-round cluster****, Taylor had scored double figures in his previous 5 seasons, including a couple where he got 20+.

Although most of these were at a lower level, only at Forest would we be seemingly willing to let a proven striker go for nothing. Are we seriously saying that in the space of 1 season his value has reduced to zero?
 
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Grenville Morris
Frank Clarks Tash said:
Before last seasons all-round cluster****, Taylor had scored double figures in his previous 5 seasons, including a couple where he got 20+.

Although most of these were at a lower level, only at Forest would we be seemingly willing to let a proven striker go for nothing. Are we seriously saying that in the space of 1 season his value has reduced to zero?
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Frank you can't say that!!. There are those in critics corner that KNOW he's useless so its senseless offering a possible alternative scenario.
If his value has fallen to zero its 95% to do with how this daft club has handled him as any fundamental change in him as a player...
 
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Grenville Morris
And just to be boring I'll reiterate that the real issue is the throw away nature of the club and how its set up. We have no patience, no real sense of value or direction as a club and despite the chest beating about our academy we seem totally disinterested in working with what we sign, all of which have faults, foibles and imperfections. This of course acts as a feedback loop because no player of quality is going to come here and risk being treated like this and trashed after 2-20 sporadic games. We might stop to ask ourselves if its our recruitment policy that's at fault or more that we identify the players but can't sign them because of our record of how we treat the ones we do actually get...
 
BryanRoy

BryanRoy

Stuart Pearce
Only ever performed for Wimbledon and Charlton.

Need someone like Millwall to come in for him to get back darn sarf.
 
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Francis Benali (on loan)

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There is very little from his career record to suggest he is the sort of forward a team looking to reach the PL should buy.

He had a purple patch at the start of the 2019-20 Championship season along with the rest of the Charlton team. They played us off the park at Valley and should have gone in three up. The whole Charlton team were excellent at that point off the back of promotion the previous season. They were top early on that season, and ended up relegated. So they were playing above themselves. It's not inconceivable as one of that team, that so was he. He scored 5 in 6 to start the season. He did all right when fit after that, but it wasn't the kind of form that would have Championship clubs queuing up to offer a big contract to a striker over thirty to.

His problem isn't what LTLF makes of his talent. What matters is what Chris Hughton sees as his level. And unless it's something we're all missing on the LTLF expert panel, that doesn't look like promotion-chasing Championship team. And that is what Hughton has said he was appointed to put together.
 
Danga

Danga

Formerly JLingz
Francis Benali (on loan) said:
There is very little from his career record to suggest he is the sort of forward a team looking to reach the PL should buy.
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Brentford had a £4m bid turned down for him in the January of last season. A team whose recruitment policy has often been cited as the model to follow on here...

Personally I think it is tough to judge any attacking player (specifically a striker) when we created next to nothing, game in, game out. Nobody really shone in an attacking sense last year.
 
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Francis Benali (on loan)

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I bet we handed him one of the highest salaries any striker over thirty that hadn't scored 15 goals in any league above div 3 standard has ever been given in the history of the game.

Time is not on his side. Think this is one of the situations where you could perhaps, in an injury-free season, expect an instant return.
 
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Rzar

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Bob McKinlay
Francis Benali (on loan) said:
There is very little from his career record to suggest he is the sort of forward a team looking to reach the PL should buy.

He had a purple patch at the start of the 2019-20 Championship season along with the rest of the Charlton team. They played us off the park at Valley and should have gone in three up. The whole Charlton team were excellent at that point off the back of promotion the previous season. They were top early on that season, and ended up relegated. So they were playing above themselves. It's not inconceivable as one of that team, that so was he. He scored 5 in 6 to start the season. He did all right when fit after that, but it wasn't the kind of form that would have Championship clubs queuing up to offer a big contract to a striker over thirty to.

His problem isn't what LTLF makes of his talent. What matters is what Chris Hughton sees as his level. And unless it's something we're all missing on the LTLF expert panel, that doesn't look like promotion-chasing Championship team. And that is what Hughton has said he was appointed to put together.
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On paper his strengths are normally what CH likes in strikers.

Whether he suceeds here is mainly down to Lyle. Unlike plenty of strikers here, he has been given chances. He has gotta do better and take his chance next season, if he is still here for it.
 
TommyT

TommyT

Jack Burkitt
cheapseats said:
And just to be boring I'll reiterate that the real issue is the throw away nature of the club and how its set up. We have no patience, no real sense of value or direction as a club and despite the chest beating about our academy we seem totally disinterested in working with what we sign, all of which have faults, foibles and imperfections. This of course acts as a feedback loop because no player of quality is going to come here and risk being treated like this and trashed after 2-20 sporadic games. We might stop to ask ourselves if its our recruitment policy that's at fault or more that we identify the players but can't sign them because of our record of how we treat the ones we do actually get...
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I'd agree with the lack of patience we seem to have, so many players we sign don't even get a single game and end up doing really well elsewhere, in the case of Lyle however, from what I've seen and his history in football, I just don't think he's quite got the minerals to be the man we need

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