Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
Indeed so Flaggers, which firmly implies a suspicion of bias.
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Snatchday 1: Nottingham Forest Vs the PGMOL
- Thread starter Alf-engelos Mindminackers
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MC Plantpot
First Team Squad
I’m thinking (but I don’t know for sure) you can have integrity but that doesn’t make you immune from unconscious bias. And unconscious bias is hard to control because often there is no conscious awareness of it. So, perhaps the statement was suggesting it was the unconscious bias potential that caused concern more than integrity?
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
You are Donald Rumsfeld!
Col Steve Austin
Viv Anderson
One of those stats nerds on twitter should go through the entire season and produce a "this is how the table should look" table after correcting all the dodgy decisions. It would be fascinating to see if it does 'balance itself out over a season" and whether the title race is affected.
Steve B
Jack Armstrong
Man U would be in the bottom 3
I saw a stat about Chelsea without Cole Palmers goals and they would have been bottom 3 if I remember correctly,possibly 4th from bottom.
Robertson
Geoff Thomas
He’s certainly got a lot of penalties among those goals as well. Nine I think?
gedlingred
Grenville Morris
So last game of the season. Newcastle level with Spurs on points and they are both chasing the last Champions League Place.
Is Michael Oliver (a Newcastle fan) any where near reffing or being on VAR duty for the Spurs game? No.
And is the reason he's no where near the game because the PMGOL or anybody else is questioning his integrity? No.
In fact its the opposite. In the increasingly likely event that a contentious decision goes against Spurs, or 2 decisions, or three decisions and Spurs are denied a Champions League spot as a result, his integrity and that of the PGMOL and of the competition is not in question, because guess what, he's not on duty.
So it isn't about Michael Oliver (it could be any Newcastle fan) and it isn't about questioning his integrity. It's about protecting it.
Atwell is not mentioned in the tweet. It could have been any Luton fan. It could have been a Burnley fan. It's irrelevant, as is their integrity. But the allegiance is critical because he's a fan of a club who are in a relegation battle with the two teams he's overseeing.
Forest were angry. Rightly so. We got absolutely sh*t on by these mugs on Sunday.
But the question posed by the tweet (which still hasn't been addressed) is why was a Luton fan on VAR?
A perfectly reasonable question.
And isn't it a slight irony that you started your post by accusing Forest fans who have defended the club, of being bias because of their allegiance to the club. Football fans are biased? Surely not?
Redemption
Agenda Benda
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
Would you even consider that Attwell just might possibly have the same bias towards his club as any other fan of theirs, or are you convinced that his professional integrity is beyond question (which, of course, is your absolute prerogative)?
Redemption
Agenda Benda
I'm sure that he can be passionate about Luton and maintain a level of impartiality that we expect should be in the game. Without it, the game is farce.
I made this point the other day. Fans have long memories and hold grudges way beyond their own experience. Take Newcastle for Forest fans. And then think about the matrix of grudges between clubs, Forest versus Villa, Michael Oliver is the referee does he favour Villa because of 1974?
And there has to be something of value in refs having a football connection and history.
I would expect that refs would get found out quite quickly if they we incapable of being a dispassionate and independent official.
Who knows, maybe Atwell will be thrown out because he wasn't. But I doubt it. And I don't think its because of PGMOL corruption.
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
It probably wasn't the best analogy to come up with Red, as I'm struggling a little to understand why Oliver would potentially hold a grudge against us over the outcome of the '74 QF, given that Newcastle unfairly profited from the incident (although, pleasingly, they were an embarrassment in the Final)?
Otherwise, I accept your overall point, even if I do largely disagree.
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
I think Luton will probably get relegated.
Trouble is, I think Burnley will overtake us.
No one gave them a chance against ManUre...
No one giving them a chance against Newcastle...
It will all be down to our last game of the season...
Trouble is, I think Burnley will overtake us.
No one gave them a chance against ManUre...
No one giving them a chance against Newcastle...
It will all be down to our last game of the season...
Redemption
Agenda Benda
Yeah, I was just looking for a grudge for demonstration purposes, but im glad you got the point.
Mr. Blonde
Jack Burkitt
I know plenty of people (me included) who thought Burnley could get something today because Man U are, frankly, shite
Newcastle and Spurs are a different proposition
Redemption
Agenda Benda
Newcastle will chase 6th spot after a long spell of injuries.
oxonred
First Team Squad
Does anybody think we will get to know what was said on the VAR audio? If not why not?
Redemption
Agenda Benda
I don't.
I think when the club hear it, it will be made clear that is the end of the matter. A propos of nothing, I think there's more chance of the club stepping down than going in harder.
Club will probably put out a lawerly statement about disappointment with VAR choices but acknowledge done in a difficult situation, etc.
oxonred
First Team Squad
If so then what would have been the point of hearing it? If not incendiary then why not make it public? If it is then more action should be taken, we’ve gone this far and we’re going to get screwed anyway.
Redemption
Agenda Benda
Might be contentious still but not enough for club to do anything about it.
Have the club made a demand that fans should hear it? Do you think they will?
GOBIAS
Ian Bowyer
It’s kind of an irrelevant stat really. Because if you took him out someone else would play instead of him. They ain’t gonna play Louie Sibley there, it would be someone of top quality who in that role you expect to be scoring 10 goals. Half his goals are penalties as well so someone else would have picked them up.
I’m not knocking palmer btw, or your post. Just that some of these stats put out are misleading / bollocks really.
PlayedOnGrass
First Team Squad
I thought the club heard it yesterday?
I am surprised we haven’t had a statement- even just confirm we have heard it.
Redemption
Agenda Benda
I didn't see that.
Whatever I had seen, I taken it was next week. But possibly a false/lazy assumption on my part.
ARedChester
First Team Squad
I dont know what the club are expecting to hear? I doubt there is any untoward conversation at all, but it will possibly through up the chatter of how much attention was paid to the incidents or how a player kicking through the backnof an opposition leg is deemed as 'minimal' contact.
gedlingred
Grenville Morris
I'm implying a question from the text of the tweet.
Why did the PGMOL put a Luton fan on VAR for this game? How could they be so 'f*cking stupid'
I suspect the answer is 'they didn't care enough' given the two teams involved.
Is it really true that there is no audio of the third penalty claim?
Has it been confirmed?