Mr RayReardon
Jack Burkitt
The latter. Take the pts hit and keep on to our best young players. His stock will only rise... unless crazy money comes in.
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Murillo Santiago Costa dos Santos
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We'll need to sell before 30 June to avoid another points deduction for an ffp breach.
They'll start the bidding at £15m.
That's what ffp is there to do. f*** over the small teams and stop them operating prudently by forcing sales at a discount to the big clubs.
They'll start the bidding at £15m.
That's what ffp is there to do. f*** over the small teams and stop them operating prudently by forcing sales at a discount to the big clubs.
Robertson
Viv Anderson
Or a maximum two point deduction as per precedent set for Everton this season. We should sell in our own time at the right price.
PynchonForest
John Robertson
Murillo is on the doorstep of being a world class center half. If we stay up and manage to keep him, we should kiss his ass all season long next year. He's a phenomenal talent with everything except for being 6'4", and I'm not certain that will matter greatly. Ake is 5'11". And I still think anything less than 60 million would be insane.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
The bizarre thing is all those clubs mentioned yet he's the exact profile and fit for Man City
isaacs
Viv Anderson
I'd love to know whether or not the story that appeared in Daniel Taylors article in the Athletic is true about this deal because if it is its quite extraordinary, a bit terrifying in the modern age but is a throwback to how things were done in the past.
The Big Man got a tip off from someone within the Shipping business about Murillo. They told him he'd be playing for Real Madrid within 3/4 years. That was enough for the Big Man to say "we'll take him".
IF true: a) who is that contact and has he got any more tips? and b) Maybe with the success of just how good Murillo has been the Big Man will stick to non footballing contacts for players in South America than relying on scouts looking at players in the top competitions with over 100 appearances that the entire European continent has already scouted.
Murillo had 13 competitive starts for Corinthians starting 12 months ago, and they were all in the minor competition of the State Championship were they tend to bleed youngsters through before the main league starts up. How the hell did that contact know about him?
I'd personally make a movie out of it, even if turns out to be bollocks. (Daniel Taylor should start script writing if thats the case)
GreeksBearingGifts
Stuart Pearce
Even if the story were true, the solution would not be trusting sources outside football. Murillo is a freak accident, the exception which proves the rule. There are simply no other players who become 50m players within six months of professional football.
The solution for Latin scouting is obviously not looking at established players either; it's having an established network on the ground which will spot upcoming players before they become established. That's the main reason EM bought Rio Ave, who have such a network (incidentally, Rio Ave seem to have managed to survive relegation after the takeover).
isaacs
Viv Anderson
The Rio Ave purchase definitely points towards a strong Brazilian link continuing with Forest and Olympiacos being the benefactors.
Football Manager lover since the 90s, i recently managed in Brazil for the first time and was shocked at the various competitions and just how many games young players play for their clubs. Danilo for example made 140 appearances across all competitions in just 2 and a half years. Its also touted as the reason why a lot of Brazilian players break down by the age of 30.
In the case of Murillo its definitely a strange one. He primarily was playing for the u20s which is filled with U-18s so its very surprising that he did not make his senior Corinthians debut until he was 21. Given what we know now, its actually incredible how or why he wasn't playing senior football much much earlier. Aside from his playing ability its his maturity that just adds to the mystery, he carries himself like a seasoned veteran of European football and is not fazed in the slightest by any team or player he has come up against.
Are we sure the lad isn't 32?
Trents
John Robertson
Just seen that clearance off the line again. Just when you think the lad has everything, he confirms it with covering awareness I doubt any of our other defenders would have.
Imagine the pelters Yates would be getting had he not cleared that one.
Imagine the pelters Yates would be getting had he not cleared that one.
Marco Pascolo
Youth Team
On Murillo if he was to move to one of the Spainish Giants which is highly likely, ive just checked when there transfer window opens and its the 1st of July which is a day after the 30th of June when we have to have the ffp books balanced by or if they use that as a migration factor or agree a deal in principle to get around it and keep the premier league informed but we know they did that with the Johnson deal but never took that into account
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
I thought I read somewhere (probably on here) that if there's concrete evidence of a negotiated deal before the P&S Rule deadline, it wouldn't count as a breach if the transfer is concluded officially beyond that date?
Red Echo
Youth Team
The Mangala loan/transfer deal takes care of that problem, does it not? Upcoming 30m quid mandatory (I think) fee.
Even if it's not mandatory, they've gone from just outside the relegation zone to 7th place in the table since he's been knocking around, so I imagine they're keen.
Hopefully Forest have arranged for it to be finalised pre-July 1st though.
Marco Pascolo
Youth Team
I think we have got 15 mil coming from the mangala deal as it was 10 mil loan fee which was paid up front then 15 mil triggered if Lyon stay up which they have
Marco Pascolo
Youth Team
Yeah thats what happens i wouldnt be surprised if talks are on going now with clubs, Just dont want the premier league to shaft us again and say its a not good enough migration factor if it happens after the 30th june deadline
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
It would be great if there was even the remotest prospect of building a side around this kid and Morgan over the coming seasons. Then cold reality abruptly kicks-in.
The only thing we can do is to endeavour to squeeze the absolute maximum that we can in terms of transfer fees.
The only thing we can do is to endeavour to squeeze the absolute maximum that we can in terms of transfer fees.
Red Echo
Youth Team
Ah, I see. That's still much, much better than nowt.
If they can flog Vlach, or someone similar, for 5m+ then that would balance the books - I'm 99% sure I read that we had to make 20m-ish before the summer deadline.
Marco Pascolo
Youth Team
Yeah fingers crossed they can get rid of someone like him or similar to just get over the line, then we wouldn't have to sell Murillo on the cheap which i cant see us doing anyway
TrickiestTree
A. Trialist
Anyone know when Freuler's fee (if any) would count for PSR? Think his perm is triggered so potentially we got some cash as part of that swap deal. I'm sure we can find a combined £10m for LoB, Bowler, Turner, Ody, Worrall & Panzo if we're desparate but don't want to weaken ourselves too much. Could also do a cheeky Omar Richards to Oly sale for £10m 
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
If Chelsea are allowed to sell hotels to their owners and rent them back on the cheap then I don't see any reason why we can't sell Omar Richards to Oly for £20M and buy him back at £5MAnyone know when Freuler's fee (if any) would count for PSR? Think his perm is triggered so potentially we got some cash as part of that swap deal. I'm sure we can find a combined £10m for LoB, Bowler, Turner, Ody, Worrall & Panzo if we're desparate but don't want to weaken ourselves too much. Could also do a cheeky Omar Richards to Oly sale for £10m
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
Other than Oly's FFP limits
sammy the snake
Jack Armstrong
Well I’m hoping for Brentford’s bid to arrive
DizzyBala
Jack Armstrong
I put myself in Brighton's shoes with stuff like this, because end up sacrificing their best players every season but seem to be able to get better regardless. I'm sure losing Murillo in isolation would seem like a big deal, but if you set your club up where Murillo is just one of the first and you are getting raw talents like Murillo and turning them over to the big clubs for profit, that is absolutely a way to progress.
Teams in Brazil for example will look at that and want to do business with us, either for the sell on or because they can take a player from a to b for us, then we take it from b to c.
Teams in Brazil for example will look at that and want to do business with us, either for the sell on or because they can take a player from a to b for us, then we take it from b to c.
youreds1986
Geoff Thomas
Murillo is a sublime footballer and a joy to watch.
But his value to others (and his future value) is probably much more than his own field value to us right now. He has some outstanding attributes, but he's no better than an average PL CB at this moment in time.
If you can swap Murillo for a more experienced big ugly bastard of a CB and a wide player (and still have change in the bank) that makes us a better side next year.
But his value to others (and his future value) is probably much more than his own field value to us right now. He has some outstanding attributes, but he's no better than an average PL CB at this moment in time.
If you can swap Murillo for a more experienced big ugly bastard of a CB and a wide player (and still have change in the bank) that makes us a better side next year.
Agree with that. He's probably the first luxury player I've ever seen that plays at centre back.
In a very good side he'd be absolutely brilliant, probably elite level but for a side that's scrapping for our lives I'm not sure a CB under 6ft that keeps trying to score from 70 yards is the answer. We're really missing Boly in my opinion.
Mr. Blonde
Jack Burkitt
Agree with this
I love Murillo (and Omo for that matter) but I think having two 21 year old centre backs starting games has weakened us defensively