Obviously you weren’t around for the other regimes… be careful what you wish forMuch more worryingly for me than relegation is where the club is going under this regime..
Obviously you weren’t around for the other regimes… be careful what you wish for
It must be true if a journalist said so!
Hopefully upwards.Much more worryingly for me than relegation is where the club is going under this regime..
Yeah, fair point.It must be true if a journalist said so!
Sounds like a similar situation to Italy, then?I see there's also a point in one of the articles about violence from organized ultras. It is indeed a major problem in Greece (and the main reason I abstain from following the team in the stadium, I have a visceral aversion to football violence), but there is a misunderstanding here. Traditionally, all big club owners try to control ultras and, indeed, offer them many perks: small jobs at the club or elsewhere in their businesses, free tickets etc. This does not necessarily mean that they personally promote violence and organize violent acts. More often than not, the opposite is true; the main ultra clubs have nefarious agendas of their own, and the perks can also be seen as a means for preventing things to turn really ugly.
Two weeks after the hot water.So when are we getting the pie cannons?
Thank you GBG, much appreciated.I was asked to read the two pieces in the Times and the Daily Mail about EM. I just did. Nothing in these two articles looks unfamiliar to me regarding the man's ego and outbursts. Both articles are quite correct in pointing out the cultural differences which explain the infamous Forest tweet. Greek football is notoriously corrupt and it is the big clubs' owners who are to blame (including EM in his first few years). It is indeed quite common for clubs and their owners to publicly complain about referees (and VARs, who in Greece as well have become the main instrument in influencing match outcomes). Hardly a matchday goes by without one or -more often- more clubs officially complaining about referees, with language ten times more harsh than the Forest tweet. Things have reached a point where clubs complain even in matches where the referee has not really influenced the outcome; a sort of preemptive strike. Things are even more strenuous for EM's temper, given the fact that, for several years now, a coalition of other clubs controls the Football Federation (which controls referees), unlike the first few years of EM's involvement in football, where he had control (and paid for it, with all the match-fixing allegations which have now been put to rest with irrevocable court decisions at all levels). The anti-Olympiacos mentality is palpable, and it shows in refereeing decisions. All this creates a counterproductive "us vs. the world" mentality.
I see there's also a point in one of the articles about violence from organized ultras. It is indeed a major problem in Greece (and the main reason I abstain from following the team in the stadium, I have a visceral aversion to football violence), but there is a misunderstanding here. Traditionally, all big club owners try to control ultras and, indeed, offer them many perks: small jobs at the club or elsewhere in their businesses, free tickets etc. This does not necessarily mean that they personally promote violence and organize violent acts. More often than not, the opposite is true; the main ultra clubs have nefarious agendas of their own, and the perks can also be seen as a means for preventing things to turn really ugly.
Do I want to know what pie cannons are?So when are we getting the pie cannons?
Do I want to know what pie cannons are?
Calibration will be a bitch.
Do I want to know what pie cannons are?
Doughty was awful. People should remember that radio Nottm interview where he threw his toys out of the pram.Pretty much this.
Irving and Wray were as close to asset strippers as possible selling players without consulting Bassett.
Doughty, despite the fact he's still well liked, did ultimately lead us down into League One.
Fawaz was a litany of failure to pay bills and winding up orders from HMRC.
Pies fired from cannonsDo I want to know what pie cannons are?
I don't know why this response made me laugh so much but somehow I have tea coming out of my nosePies fired from cannons
Ahhhh.... I was looking into how to make a cannon out of pies.Pies fired from cannons
They won't want an outsider questioning our wonderful Premier League. Only our media is ever allowed to do that.The Telegraph have also written an "expose" on EM.
Evangelos Marinakis: Combustible Nottingham Forest owner behind extraordinary attacks on officials
Greek shipping mogul who shocked English football with outburst about ‘Luton fan’ VAR has a rich history of losing his patiencewww.telegraph.co.uk
Quite the coincidence that they've all written something this weekend!
Many supporters of other clubs will back EM once they allow themselves to be objective