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Current state of the squad

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IdiotTricky

First Team Squad
Red Ray's Redlist said:
Ideally we'd play 4321 with the 2 wide, but that means no AM so where would MGW fit, which was the very problem Coops failed to solve. I'd try him a little deeper, especially if he still wants a shot at playing for England.
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Agree re. the England squad. I thought Bellingham would become the best 8 in the world, but turns out he's a 10 vying with the likes of Foden and - now - Palmer.

I think MGW has the tools to play as an 8: hardworking; tenacious; agile. And when he was playing in the Championship his aerial stats were surprisingly excellent. He undoubtedly has the control, vision and passing range, but might have to temper the flicks (which might dilute his game ...?). That said, he's been playing as a deep lying midfielder for most of his time with us as we've played such a low block for ... what 60-70% of our PL games?

Definitely wasted on the wing, though. Just doesn't have the turn of pace to beat someone on the outside.

Wonderful player. Don't know if anyone can suggest any central midfielders with similar abilities who might provide a comparison, if he were to play a deeper role? Just rambling ... I think he could play in central midfield, but he seems such a natural in the 10 role ...
 
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IdiotTricky

First Team Squad
Yoghurt Slice said:
I'd prioritise the winger/forward, CB, backup goalie, and add a central midfielder.

I think you want to improve CM and CB every summer if you can, even if you have settled partnerships there. It's the core of the team and the most influential players at pretty much every level. You always have to look to improve there. Wood/Awoniyi are quality, and I get that having a striker who starts and stays fit is this big fantasy signing we all want....question is will we ever find that player? Doubt it personally. I think it's more likely we sign a winger/inside forward type who can give us something we don't already have, ideally who can play up top if we need them to. I don't think we can afford all the players we all want! But I guess we got CHO and Aina for peanuts so it's possible.

A lot of criticism of Montiel recently. I think he's a decent player and we'll find another one like him on loan next year. Would love to find a new first choice full back but unless it's another one of those peanuts signings I don't think we can afford it. I also think Sangare will come good. He was decent earlier in the season when we played him, Nico and Mangala as a 3. Not sure what happened after that tbh, I guess Mangala was probably carrying the other two to an extent. Maybe Mangala comes back?
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Personally, I'd be happy with Turner as no. 2, if he would be happy with that. I'm comfortable with Sels as no. 1, next season. Some folks have compared him unfavourably to Henderson, but I don't think there's much in it and Sels seems both more proactive in the box and more comfortable kicking.

I agree that Awoniyi and Wood are quality options and we can only hope that Taiwo's injury struggles will be a thing of the past. Iirc, he doesn't have a history of injuries, unless we've just lucked out on this persistent groin issue ..?

Sangare is a hill I'm willing to die on: I think he'll come good next season when, hopefully, we aren't fighting fires from August onwards. Of course, if we're in the Championships, he'll smash it!

I don't think Mangala will be coming back, much as I like him. Think there's too much at stake financially. Would be delighted to be proved wrong, however!
 
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bearwood red

A. Trialist
I’m sure this has been done, but of the players out in loan, are there any worth considering including in the squad?

I think the only two are Richards and possibly Aguilera.

Need to try and sell Dennis without making too big a loss. Same goes for Bowler, O’Brien, Panzo, Hwang.

I think a permanent move for Worrall probably suits everyone - possibly Ipswich at the right price? Mighten needs a permanent move as well.

Soh and McKenna out of contract.

Mangala completes permanent move.

Not sure how much of the wages we were paying for the above, but potentially a decent amount off the wage bill.
 
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IdiotTricky

First Team Squad
bearwood red said:
I’m sure this has been done, but of the players out in loan, are there any worth considering including in the squad?

I think the only two are Richards and possibly Aguilera.

Need to try and sell Dennis without making too big a loss. Same goes for Bowler, O’Brien, Panzo, Hwang.

I think a permanent move for Worrall probably suits everyone - possibly Ipswich at the right price? Mighten needs a permanent move as well.

Soh and McKenna out of contract.

Mangala completes permanent move.

Not sure how much of the wages we were paying for the above, but potentially a decent amount off the wage bill.
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I'm guessing Dennis maybe gets a pre-season with Nuno (if Nuno is still here) for him to figure how he might fit/ be trusted? He's shown that he can play across the top of the pitch in the PL, but he also looked a complete liability for us last year. I don't know how much of that was down to our super low block, meaning he had to do too much work on the edge of the defensive third ..?

I understand potentially looking to cut our losses, but if he can, minimally, do a job until January, then we might not have to take too much of a hit.

Sadly, as much as I like LOB, I think you're right about the rest - even Worrall, unless we do plan to play a back 3 next season.

I really want Richards to be able to play for us next season, but suspect it might be a season too soon, given how limited his playing time has been for Oly this year.
 
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Red Dog in a Forest

Viv Anderson
bearwood red said:
I’m sure this has been done, but of the players out in loan, are there any worth considering including in the squad?

I think the only two are Richards and possibly Aguilera.

Need to try and sell Dennis without making too big a loss. Same goes for Bowler, O’Brien, Panzo, Hwang.

I think a permanent move for Worrall probably suits everyone - possibly Ipswich at the right price? Mighten needs a permanent move as well.

Soh and McKenna out of contract.

Mangala completes permanent move.

Not sure how much of the wages we were paying for the above, but potentially a decent amount off the wage bill.
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Bowler is out of contract this summer and there is a permanent option for Panzo.

Dennis and Hwang are the biggest headaches and will no doubt be sold at a loss.

Agree with everything else 👍🏼
 
Gyros Peter

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
Red Dog in a Forest said:
Bowler is out of contract this summer and there is a permanent option for Panzo.

Dennis and Hwang are the biggest headaches and will no doubt be sold at a loss.

Agree with everything else 👍🏼
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I thought Hwang was out of contract in the summer - bad news that's not the case. You'd hope that Oly will help us out somehow with that one, given he seemed to be one for them. Unless it was with a view to being one for us if he succeeded there, which he very much didn't.

Wonder if Norwich might be in for him again - hadn't he broken through there prior to his injury? He hasn't done much yet with his Turkish side I can't spell.

Let's hope we got a fee in for these loans - Dennis might have done enough playing centrally to get another champ loan. Can't see him having done enough to be considered for a place in Nuno's squad next season - that ship has surely sailed...
 
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Gareth Edds

First Team Squad
If we go to 3 at the back more often then i can see Worrell back, especially since we might loose our best CB and another out of contract who might not be staying around.

Same with LoB in the centre, he might be back as back up especially if we have to move on players due to FFP. He adds depth but wont be a starter. Richards might also offer this on the left.

Dennis also falls into this bracket which kinda means that if we loose some good players we wont have a stronger squad. But if we keep our best players for another season then there will be another year on for the younger players to improve and we should be in a better place. Even if we dont bring anyone in.

Sels is worth a few points and if we dont loose more points due to FFP next season then there's no reason this team can easily get over 40 points. Which is the level we are at as we cant spend our way out of this.

What is a worry though is that their seems to be no youngsters coming into the team this season from the academy. The United game had 4 ex academy players on the field in Yates, Diaz, Osborn and Anel. I know 2 of those were bought in when they were 16 and 2 of them at best would be only squad players for us now, but it shows that we have in the past had a steady stream of academy players bought into the first team. At present it seems no academy players are near the 1st team, and that just makes the club less cost effective.
 
PlayedOnGrass

PlayedOnGrass

First Team Squad
bearwood red said:
I’m sure this has been done, but of the players out in loan, are there any worth considering including in the squad?

I think the only two are Richards and possibly Aguilera.

Need to try and sell Dennis without making too big a loss. Same goes for Bowler, O’Brien, Panzo, Hwang.

I think a permanent move for Worrall probably suits everyone - possibly Ipswich at the right price? Mighten needs a permanent move as well.

Soh and McKenna out of contract.

Mangala completes permanent move.

Not sure how much of the wages we were paying for the above, but potentially a decent amount off the wage bill.
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I know it might be slightly controversial - I like him as a player myself.
I think it might be time to move Toffalo on. An EPL squad player going to one of the newly promoted teams could bring £5m-£8m into the kitty
 
PlayedOnGrass

PlayedOnGrass

First Team Squad
Gyros Peter said:
I thought Hwang was out of contract in the summer - bad news that's not the case. You'd hope that Oly will help us out somehow with that one, given he seemed to be one for them. Unless it was with a view to being one for us if he succeeded there, which he very much didn't.

Wonder if Norwich might be in for him again - hadn't he broken through there prior to his injury? He hasn't done much yet with his Turkish side I can't spell.

Let's hope we got a fee in for these loans - Dennis might have done enough playing centrally to get another champ loan. Can't see him having done enough to be considered for a place in Nuno's squad next season - that ship has surely sailed...
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I think Dennis will be with us next season - in the 25 man squad.
There is a player there - NES has had no opportunity to assess him and work with him.
It wouldn't surprise me to see him back with us.
 
Gyros Peter

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
PlayedOnGrass said:
I think Dennis will be with us next season - in the 25 man squad.
There is a player there - NES has had no opportunity to assess him and work with him.
It wouldn't surprise me to see him back with us.
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He's already let him leave on loan in a severely unbalanced squad is my thinking as to why he's done - didn't Nuno allow the Watford loan?
 
PlayedOnGrass

PlayedOnGrass

First Team Squad
Gyros Peter said:
He's already let him leave on loan in a severely unbalanced squad is my thinking as to why he's done - didn't Nuno allow the Watford loan?
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Yes - I think he did.
I think it is very different having a full pre-season with a player to make a full assessment than the limited time he had with him between loans in January, especially with everything else that was going on at that time.
Of course - I may well be wrong - I just think we need additional pace, power and goal threat from the wing - and he has proven he has those attributes @ Watford in the EPL. No denying, he was disappointing for us last season though.
 
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youreds1986

Geoff Thomas
IdiotTricky said:
Personally, I'd be happy with Turner as no. 2, if he would be happy with that. I'm comfortable with Sels as no. 1, next season. Some folks have compared him unfavourably to Henderson, but I don't think there's much in it and Sels seems both more proactive in the box and more comfortable kicking.

I agree that Awoniyi and Wood are quality options and we can only hope that Taiwo's injury struggles will be a thing of the past. Iirc, he doesn't have a history of injuries, unless we've just lucked out on this persistent groin issue ..?

Sangare is a hill I'm willing to die on: I think he'll come good next season when, hopefully, we aren't fighting fires from August onwards. Of course, if we're in the Championships, he'll smash it!

I don't think Mangala will be coming back, much as I like him. Think there's too much at stake financially. Would be delighted to be proved wrong, however!
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Sels is absolutely fine as a number one.

If we had a big budget, I'd look to improve. But we don't. So it's not a priority.

Agreed re Turner, too. He's a more than adequate second choice if he's happy to stay. Wouldn't stop him leaving for first team football though.
 
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
bearwood red said:
I’m sure this has been done, but of the players out in loan, are there any worth considering including in the squad?

I think the only two are Richards and possibly Aguilera.

Need to try and sell Dennis without making too big a loss. Same goes for Bowler, O’Brien, Panzo, Hwang.

I think a permanent move for Worrall probably suits everyone - possibly Ipswich at the right price? Mighten needs a permanent move as well.

Soh and McKenna out of contract.

Mangala completes permanent move.

Not sure how much of the wages we were paying for the above, but potentially a decent amount off the wage bill.
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I think a lot depends on how tight we are with money.

Aguilera will almost certainly be around first team squad as backup #10, especially as CHO could always play as a #10 if MGW is out (he never is) and we'll probably sign more wingers to fill those gaps. Aguilera a nice cheap option for emergency backup and league cup games.

If we sell Murillo then one succession plan is to promote Niakhate to first choice and extend McKenna contract as backup LCB. I am fairly certain McKenna would be onboard with that.

Similar sort of scenario with O'Brien. Ideally we would ditch Sangare and get our money back for him. We could then have Yates and Dominguez competing for the right sided with Danilo on the left side as first choice and O'Brien as backup. I'm less convinced that O'Brien would want that though.

Richards needs to come back to Forest ahead of pre-season to demonstrate to the club he can remain fit and is a viable option. If he can do that then we don't need to buy any full backs as Williams and Aina could compete for the right side slot with Richards and Toffolo for the left. That's probably quite a risk for us though and so I suspect it's unlikely there's any route back for Richards.

And that's your lot for me. I'd expect Panzo, Hwang, Dennis, Soh, Mangala and Worrall to all go.
 
Gyros Peter

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
MaxiRobriguez said:
I think a lot depends on how tight we are with money.

Aguilera will almost certainly be around first team squad as backup #10, especially as CHO could always play as a #10 if MGW is out (he never is) and we'll probably sign more wingers to fill those gaps. Aguilera a nice cheap option for emergency backup and league cup games.

If we sell Murillo then one succession plan is to promote Niakhate to first choice and extend McKenna contract as backup LCB. I am fairly certain McKenna would be onboard with that.

Similar sort of scenario with O'Brien. Ideally we would ditch Sangare and get our money back for him. We could then have Yates and Dominguez competing for the right sided with Danilo on the left side as first choice and O'Brien as backup. I'm less convinced that O'Brien would want that though.

Richards needs to come back to Forest ahead of pre-season to demonstrate to the club he can remain fit and is a viable option. If he can do that then we don't need to buy any full backs as Williams and Aina could compete for the right side slot with Richards and Toffolo for the left. That's probably quite a risk for us though and so I suspect it's unlikely there's any route back for Richards.

And that's your lot for me. I'd expect Panzo, Hwang, Dennis, Soh, Mangala and Worrall to all go.
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I read somewhere that McKenna was done - club has offered what they considered a decent contract and noses were put out all round by it. No idea if true, but his contract expires at the end of his current loan (which incorrectly I thought was a precontract).

I actually think all of those players mentioned are done, with the only question mark being Aguilera and Richards who might get looked at.
 
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youreds1986

Geoff Thomas
I'd expect Richards gets a Champ loan next year to get some form and fitness with the result being he hopefully either is good enough for us, or he rebuilds some value for a sale.
 
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JonnoSnr

Youth Team
youreds1986 said:
I'd expect Richards gets a Champ loan next year to get some form and fitness with the result being he hopefully either is good enough for us, or he rebuilds some value for a sale.
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It would make sense. Following that he'd have just one year left on his deal so you could just imagine in typical Forest style he'd have a storming final year in the Prem and then leave on a free to a top half team.
 
Project Zeus

Project Zeus

Steve Chettle
Notcher said:
Personally I'd see if Lodi fancies coming back, he's wanting away from his Saudi Club. Having him along with Aina and Williams, both of which can play on either side would give us some real strength in the wing back areas.
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Nah, not for me. If he was committed to playing here he'd have signed last summer. We don't want sloppy seconds from some non-league standard Saudi club.

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eesti_red

A. Trialist
Notcher said:
Personally I'd see if Lodi fancies coming back, he's wanting away from his Saudi Club. Having him along with Aina and Williams, both of which can play on either side would give us some real strength in the wing back areas.
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Where have you read that Lodi wants out from his Saudi club?
 
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