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Ben Brereton Díaz

EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
Origi has been an expensive mistake - done his career propects no good at all, unless Saudi Arabia want him.
Reyna - came with a big reputation and probably a big price tag, but we are already a "little" team in terms of physical stature, and even if we could afford him and outcompete others who might want him, Idon't think he would be an asset.
However, he is young... but he wouldn't be a priority for me.
Reyna was a good signing because we needed a sub number 10 and the fact he can play on the wing when we are short there is an added bonus. However we are desperate for pacey wing subs. Brereton played wing for Blackburn when he scored a bagful and his physicality is exactly what we need to come on. I just think it makes sense as a squad player. Considering how much we have spent its clever business if we do it.
 
6 goals in 12 games for a shit team, he will be back in the PL next year with someone.

If we were to go in for anyone playing for Sheff United I would grab Hamer all day.

I'd have that Arblaster.

And I would pay them the princely sum of a sticking plaster, a bag of pasta, a pint of beer from Tadcaster and a second hand ghetto blaster,

It might turn out well . . . or it could be a disaster.
 

Harry1982

Grenville Morris
Big if, and you can rarely afford to throw a year away transitioning on £30m players.

Waiting for young players to develop from the academy, or who you bought for a relatively small amount like CHO? fine.

Waiting for big money, peak-age signings to take over a year to become remotely useful? Keep doing that and the only way is down.

It was a bad, bad, bad move. Even if it somehow works out, if we keep operating like that we're going down in an up and coming season. We need to be better.
That's easier said after the fact, mangala had his faults aswell if I remember correctly he was slow in transitioning the ball forward.

Only time will tell if sangare gets better with time, have we got any choice when we have paid 30 mill for him.
 

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
That's easier said after the fact, mangala had his faults aswell if I remember correctly he was slow in transitioning the ball forward.

Only time will tell if sangare gets better with time, have we got any choice when we have paid 30 mill for him.
Well some of us said it at the time we sold Mangala, as did others such as @Strummer . you won't find 1 post from me hyping Sangare up, because I'm aware of just how shite certain elements of our recruitment are, especially when it comes to designer signings like Sangare.

Yep, only time will tell. But it's wank being lumbered with an expensive signing who you are just hoping comes good. It's Joao Carvalho all over again, and 4-ish years of "he'll come good" didn't work out well then did it? So, you'll forgive me if I remain skeptical as to Sangare's future contribution here. I'd love nothing more than him to prove me wrong
 

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
I'd have that Arblaster.

And I would pay them the princely sum of a sticking plaster, a bag of pasta, a pint of beer from Tadcaster and a second hand ghetto blaster,

It might turn out well . . . or it could be a disaster.
Arblaster is a kid, he's either still in his teens or barely out of them. The way they play creates space for people to cause havoc like Archer and BBD did a bit and Arblaster behind them, they are quite open in all areas of the pitch which is why they have conceded 100 goals and still have 2 more to play.

As well as him being seriously unproven in any sort of organised outfit, the way we still keep it tighter is always going to restrict attacking players unless we move it out wide (which we do a lot) or you're an incredibly hard working central player like MGW. We saw Lingard not be effective last season (when he was fit enough to play) and also similar with Gio Reyna (who isn't a bad player at all) because the system doesn't allow for their strengths.

A 19 year old kid would not work in that setup.
 

Harry1982

Grenville Morris
Well some of us said it at the time we sold Mangala, as did others such as @Strummer . you won't find 1 post from me hyping Sangare up, because I'm aware of just how shite certain elements of our recruitment are, especially when it comes to designer signings like Sangare.

Yep, only time will tell. But it's wank being lumbered with an expensive signing who you are just hoping comes good. It's Joao Carvalho all over again, and 4-ish years of "he'll come good" didn't work out well then did it? So, you'll forgive me if I remain skeptical as to Sangare's future contribution here. I'd love nothing more than him to prove me wrong
Well carvalho did play well under karanka and I'm a strong believer he would have come good under the right manager.

In terms of sangare never had any opinion on him to be honest didn't really have a clue who he was. Said it before the clubs needs a plan of how the club will play and needs to be run in accordance with that or we could jerk from one style of play to another with a bunch of players that suite neither system.
 

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Well carvalho did play well under karanka and I'm a strong believer he would have come good under the right manager.

In terms of sangare never had any opinion on him to be honest didn't really have a clue who he was. Said it before the clubs needs a plan of how the club will play and needs to be run in accordance with that or we could jerk from one style of play to another with a bunch of players that suite neither system.
Any remote chance to convince me Sangare will come good was flushed down the bog the second you blamed Carvalho's failure on managerial choices, and not the player lol.

Unless by "right manager" you mean the reincarnation of Brian Clough. Then he might have done OK lol.
 
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Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
I suspect Sangare had a bit of a confidence crisis to contend with alongside the fitness issues - he's supposed to be a good sort, so hopefully being taken out of the firing line of late (along with winning the AFCON, albeit after losing his starting place) will help out in the medium term.

My take is that there's a player in there, but I'm not sure certain aspects of his game are what we thought we were getting - he certainly isn't as press resistant as we were told.
 

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Any remote chance to convince me Sangare will come good was flushed down the bog the second you blamed Carvalho's failure on managerial choices, and not the player lol.

Unless by "right manager" you mean the reincarnation of Brian Clough. Then he might have done OK lol.
Clough would not have agreed to Carvalho's recruitment.
And he would have shipped him out pronto.
As Martin O'Neil said, Carvalho was the sort of player that gets a manager the sack!
As was Gustava Scarpa!
Just not right for English football, either of them.
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
He didn't impress on Saturday.
I would not want to recruits from SUFC, particularly defenders or midfielders.
Brereton is the only one I'd like to see come to Forest.
Maybe Hamer...
I've always rated Hamer but don't think he's what we need. Tidy player though and if they can get O'Brien in they have the makings of a very good (but small) champ midfield there.
 

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
He didn't impress on Saturday.
I would not want to recruits from SUFC, particularly defenders or midfielders.
Brereton is the only one I'd like to see come to Forest.
Maybe Hamer...
Did he not push your buttons
 

Harry1982

Grenville Morris
Any remote chance to convince me Sangare will come good was flushed down the bog the second you blamed Carvalho's failure on managerial choices, and not the player lol.

Unless by "right manager" you mean the reincarnation of Brian Clough. Then he might have done OK lol.
I don't know if sangare comes could or not but I'm assuming there is quality their if we payed 30 million. I had never heard his name before we signed him, I wasn't one of the guys that got hard thinking we'd sign him, I'm just hoping he comes good because if this is all he has to offer no one paying anywhere near 30mill to take him off our hands.

I really liked carvalho and ain't nothing gonna change that lol
 

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Sangare's two biggest issues are that he wants an age on the ball all the time and he never really wanted to play for Forest.

I don't think he'll come good even if he gets up to speed with the PL.
 

Harry1982

Grenville Morris
Sangare's two biggest issues are that he wants an age on the ball all the time and he never really wanted to play for Forest.

I don't think he'll come good even if he gets up to speed with the PL.
That's the reality of the way football is played in England it's a lot faster then in Europe. Some players just ain't got the speed of thought that's needed in the game, or it could be that we get a pre season with nuno, start playing more possession based football and sangare comes good.

The only thing I know for sure is, if we continue to see the performances that we have seen this season, that's 35 million down the pan.
 

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Where does this one come from - I've heard it a few times now, I think from more than just you. Curious.

There were a few reports throughout the summer that he was waiting to see if anyone else apart from Forest would come in for him. There was what looked like agent initiated nonsense with links to Liverpool, felt like it was trying to convince other top clubs that he was capable of that level.

And since he joined he looks a bit half arsed. I know that's partly because his style is a bit languid but the reality is we supposedly brought in a destroyer who could play a bit but he's super slow to release the ball whilst in possession and if we caught on transition he was supposed to be the guy who could close the space or win back the ball immediately and the reality is he's the worst at doing those things out of all our CMs. So either he's half arsed at Forest or we did the worst scouting job on him in the history of the club, and as much as I like to critique the club, I don't think in this instance that's the case.
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
There were a few reports throughout the summer that he was waiting to see if anyone else apart from Forest would come in for him. There was what looked like agent initiated nonsense with links to Liverpool, felt like it was trying to convince other top clubs that he was capable of that level.

And since he joined he looks a bit half arsed. I know that's partly because his style is a bit languid but the reality is we supposedly brought in a destroyer who could play a bit but he's super slow to release the ball whilst in possession and if we caught on transition he was supposed to be the guy who could close the space or win back the ball immediately and the reality is he's the worst at doing those things out of all our CMs. So either he's half arsed at Forest or we did the worst scouting job on him in the history of the club, and as much as I like to critique the club, I don't think in this instance that's the case.
So essentially because he's not looked great and late in the window then.

I had read about him expressing a desire to be asked to stay by the coach at PSV, but more because he expected that as part of their relationship than actually wanting to.

My take is that it's been a tough move for him: fitness, injuries and a confidence loss have hampered him at both club and international level. I have seen a player in there though, so hopefully he can show us more of that. 50-50 I'd guess - I'll back him more in hope than expectation. He's apparently a really good sort so that can often help...
 

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
So essentially because he's not looked great and late in the window then.

I had read about him expressing a desire to be asked to stay by the coach at PSV, but more because he expected that as part of their relationship than actually wanting to.

My take is that it's been a tough move for him: fitness, injuries and a confidence loss have hampered him at both club and international level. I have seen a player in there though, so hopefully he can show us more of that. 50-50 I'd guess - I'll back him more in hope than expectation. He's apparently a really good sort so that can often help...

I hope for our sake you're right because I don't think we'll be able to shift him to another club if we need to.
 

Gyros Peter

Sauce salad?
I hope for our sake you're right because I don't think we'll be able to shift him to another club if we need to.
Certainly not got anything like what we paid - and I'm not saying he's definitely going to come good, just that I hope he can. He certainly has attributes we need _if_ he can get up to speed. Depends as much on mentality for me as technically ability/deficiencies.
 

PlayedOnGrass

First Team Squad
Well some of us said it at the time we sold Mangala, as did others such as @Strummer . you won't find 1 post from me hyping Sangare up, because I'm aware of just how shite certain elements of our recruitment are, especially when it comes to designer signings like Sangare.

Yep, only time will tell. But it's wank being lumbered with an expensive signing who you are just hoping comes good. It's Joao Carvalho all over again, and 4-ish years of "he'll come good" didn't work out well then did it? So, you'll forgive me if I remain skeptical as to Sangare's future contribution here. I'd love nothing more than him to prove me wrong
As you know Alfie - I sit on the other side of the fence on this one.
To me, he looked a quality player in the Champions league qualifiers and there were plenty after him.
However - you are right - he has so far done nothing to justify his price tag. I hear he is not settled either - which adds to the problem.
He needs to go away in the Summer and get his 'head right', come back and have a full pre-season and then hopefully he steps up next season.
We need this one to work
 
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