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What do you really think of the Fawaz reign?

Redemption

Redemption

Chief Eye Roller
I couldn't get over the alliteration.

Overall I believe Fawaz is passionate about football and ultimately wants success. However, I don't think he has much of clue how to achieve it.

Is he a lifelong forest fan? It's possible. It's plausible too, based on the Miracle Men touring Kuwait. It's also irrelevant.

Any wriggle room I may have allowed him from his passionate, amateurish leadership has long gone.

Never-the-less, I wouldn't join any campaign to oust him - I think such actions from the fans, whether successful or not, are more damaging to the club.

At the end of the day, I simply take the view that he's another rich **** who has control over something in my life that is important to me but I'll never expect to have control of myself. He's not the only one, and like in all the other areas of my life where this happens I'll take it on the chin (or on the knees, depends on your perspective).
 
Kieran

Kieran

@NFFC182
He's a good man, with a good heart and a genuine love for Nottingham Forest..he just doesn't know how to run a football club.
 
Trickie Trees

Trickie Trees

Stuart Pearce
Passionate maybe. Clueless definately.

I will suffer in silence like most but ultimately to move forward as a club Fawaz needs to bring in the right infrastructure and the right manager. For the last 4 years he has shown no liklehood of getting this right and in fact we have gone backwards. We are now approaching a point of no return as the clubs income will now be the lowest it has been for many years as crowds drop and apathy grows. I therefore ultimately believe the only way we will ever move forward again is by a change of owner. I believe it is a question of how long and who will takeover and not if it will happen.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
Leaving out any personal criticism of Fawaz - he's no idea how to run an English football club, his management of the organisation is poor, as the club lacks a clear management structure and seems littered with his cronies.

We seem financially mismanaged, failing to pay regular bills, being threatened with winding-up orders and seemingly unable to meet even regular payments.

He's undermined a series of managers and doesn't seem to know the correct structure to use to support them, and when he's brought in people from the English game who do know how to run a club, he interferes and undermines them to such an extent that they believe their position is untenable, and quit.

In short, I don't think he's got a clue what he's doing and we're going nowhere under his ownership unless he realises that and gets some help.
 
DanR

DanR

Steve Chettle
What he needs is a good CEO. A competent financial director would also be useful. Letting these people do their jobs might be next. After that, he can work on his ability to deal with constructive criticism. Then he can spend pre-match in the supporters bar.

I think what has disappointed me most is that the embargo was an opportunity to move the club towards self-sufficiency, ie look at unnecessary costs, promote more of the youth team, increase revenue off the pitch, and be a little bit more, businesslike. Instead we've sopent 18 months waiting to come out of embargo while tackling none of the issues that put us in one in the first place.
 
Ricochet

Ricochet

Jack Burkitt
As football owners go Fawaz is a complete amateur he's thrown his money at it his way and his way isn't working,the best thing he could do for us is to sell us to someone who can run the football club properly and professionally and then maybe Forest can move forward again.
 
H

HappyHappyJoyJoy

Viv Anderson
A needlessly squandered opportunity.

I am at a loss to see how someone can clearly care that much, and waste so much money with such an amateurish approach.

I've given up ever expecting anything about Forest to bring me any joy in life, it's now just a badge of honour to support a club that makes it so difficult to do so.
 
SammyC

SammyC

Banned
A friend of mine, Ken Kesey, once told me, in relation to a story I was working on, you don't really know the story until you know the ending.

That article gives you one speculative narrative, you could write a dozen different ones.

What's the truth about Fawaz?

The truth about Fawaz is we don't really know the truth about Fawaz, so we invent our own narratives to suit our own stories.

Is Fawaz a true red from back in the day?

If you like him, the story is plausible, so of course he is.

If you don't like him, the story can't be substantiated, so of course he isn't.

How deep are his pockets?

It's never been a secret that it's family wealth and it's not a secret that wealth is considerable.

If you like him you can find evidence he has ample access to those funds.

If you don't like him then he has limited access and is all hot air.

I remember an argument in a pub just before Christmas where an anti-Fawaz supporter was telling anyone that would listen that Fawaz was a clueless idiot for not appointing a CEO, to which a pro-Fawaz supporter retorted that he was a genius because we were under an embargo a CEO's wages would have contributed to club losses and therefore Fawaz was being far more intelligent by privately hiring Adrian Bevington for advice instead, in a way that wouldn't cost the club.

The truth is that it doesn't matter what the truth is, all that will matter is how the story ends.

If we end up champions of Europe we'll all be happy (or as close to all as is possible at this club) and we'll all love Fawaz, but if we end up potless, hopeless and in division 3, we'll all hate him.

After the mess of this season his stock is down, but next seasons a new chapter and anything can happen.

What's the truth about Fawaz?

We won't know until the end of the story when the history get's written by the victors, be they pro, or anti-Fawaz.
 
Redemption

Redemption

Chief Eye Roller
For someone who is just waiting for events to unfold you do seem to have a lot to say.
 
SammyC

SammyC

Banned
It could be worse, you should see how some people just float around with one line insinuations but have nothing to say at all
 
W

Well Red

First Team Squad
Two things for me stand out in Richard Crouch's 'leftlion' piece....

If you grew up in Kuwait as a billionaire diehard Forest fan, then surely at some point in your youth you’d make a trip to the City Ground? I have friends all over the world who support Forest, and even without access to supposed billions they manage to make it over to the odd game every couple of years.

Finally, the Al-Hasawis recently released the accounts, which show that Fawaz hasn’t actually given us any money. We’ve been loaned some money, which is being paid back, but ultimately it doesn’t look like the family have put anything into the club.
 
Beerest

Beerest

Viv Anderson
Well Red said:
Two things for me stand out in Richard Crouch's 'leftlion' piece....

If you grew up in Kuwait as a billionaire diehard Forest fan, then surely at some point in your youth you’d make a trip to the City Ground? I have friends all over the world who support Forest, and even without access to supposed billions they manage to make it over to the odd game every couple of years.

Finally, the Al-Hasawis recently released the accounts, which show that Fawaz hasn’t actually given us any money. We’ve been loaned some money, which is being paid back, but ultimately it doesn’t look like the family have put anything into the club.
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That is a key point - the money is a loan. The way he is running the club means we don't earn enough to pay back those loans so the longer it goes on the worse it will get. We had a golden opportunity to earn some revenue from the 150 years celebrations and it was wasted.

Unless Fawaz starts listening to those who know how to set up and run a football club I can't see it getting better.
 
Shipstones Pye Eater

Shipstones Pye Eater

Viv Anderson
Beerest said:
That is a key point - the money is a loan. The way he is running the club means we don't earn enough to pay back those loans so the longer it goes on the worse it will get. We had a golden opportunity to earn some revenue from the 150 years celebrations and it was wasted.

Unless Fawaz starts listening to those who know how to set up and run a football club I can't see it getting better.
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I understand the argument about him only loaning money to Forest and at some point it needs to be paid back, but didn't Nigel Doughty do the very same thing? Didn't he make payments to Nottingham Forest in the form of loans? I think the loans were paid off when the Doughty family wiped them out so that Fawaz could buy the club from them??

Is it possible that loaning money to the club is the only way you can invest in the club, you cannot just give money to the club, tax reasons??
 
Rich

Rich

Rice IV
Shipstones Pye Eater said:
I understand the argument about him only loaning money to Forest and at some point it needs to be paid back, but didn't Nigel Doughty do the very same thing? Didn't he make payments to Nottingham Forest in the form of loans? I think the loans were paid off when the Doughty family wiped them out so that Fawaz could buy the club from them??

Is it possible that loaning money to the club is the only way you can invest in the club, you cannot just give money to the club, tax reasons??
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Doughty did indeed loan the club money, however he always stated that this was not to be paid back. He gave an interview where he referred to it as a 'community investment'.

The family also wrote off 90% of it in the sale, with the remainder (some £13m I believe) to be repaid if we reach the Premier League.
 
Alpha Fail

Alpha Fail

Jack Burkitt
I was optimistic about it, then he sacked O'Driscoll. At which point I realised that if he couldn't see that the manager had pulled a pretty decent, developing side out of thin air and deserved a mere season's patience, then he'd be able to see very little. The guy's been floundering to get us back to where we were that boxing day ever since.
 
S

Super Coops

Viv Anderson
A bit shit so far, pretty much like every owner we've had ever since the committee format was rightly deemed out of date in 1996-97.
 
T

trentend exile

First Team Squad
I believe he wants to succeed but I don't think he knows how. He has thrown money at the club (which to keep on the right side of FFP he has to call loans). He needs a competent CEO and a decent manager who he gives sufficient time to mould the team. DF was always an underwhelming prospect as was Psycho who whilst a brilliant player had no history as a manager. Personally I think the best option is to abandon these managers with Forest connections and just bring in a good proven manager which with a decent CEO and sensible investment MIGHT get us into the PL
 
Erik

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
4 years on we're no further forward as a club, perhaps even gone backwards.

And we're no further on as a fanbase either.
 
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