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[garibaldi]

Do any FFP scholars know what is our current revenue to wages percentage? I think I saw that Everton's wage without transfer fees was 90% and was the worst in the league? But I can't remember for definite.

 

[magicwoand]

Why? They're shit.

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The same was probably said about Brighton when they where playing in the 4th division at that run down athletics track.

 

[Notcher]

No premier league side would care about a fine, as any possible fine is more than covered by the benefits of staying up.

I'm all for points deductions as the deterrent but at least think about how it's going to be fairly implemented first. The fact each hearing/appeal is now using other hearings/appeals from the same bloody season to compare and commit punishments is just farcical.

Farcical is the correct word because using the previous hearings as the barometer is to assume that they were correct when in fact subsequent hearings are disagreeing with previous hearings in their findings, statements and punishment.

I said this yesterday but it's worth saying again, I cannot believe that KC's the highest level of barristers in this country are getting it so badly wrong.

 

[YellowBelly Red]

Birmingham City are about the fourth biggest club in the Birmingham metro area.

But that’s a potential catchment of 2,5m people apparently, so maybe they think the can attract the floating supporter, rather than a majority of „floaters“ (in the plumbing sense) who seem to be prevalent in their current fanbase.

Birmingham City will have the brand new HS2 terminal, with all the associated retail and hotels, just down the road from it. The American owners have probably shown some foresight and ambition here.

 

[Ashley]

The last time Birmingham City showed ambition they appointed Wayne Rooney, which has led to them finding themselves in the bottom three of the Championship and potentially League One bound.

 

[Rockabilly]

The last time Birmingham City showed ambition they appointed Wayne Rooney, which has led to them finding themselves in the bottom three of the Championship and potentially League One bound.

Aye... and we enjoyed every minute of it.

 

[Ashley]

Aye... and we enjoyed every minute of it.

Birmingham are about to get Erm-inated!

 

[Strummer]

I said this yesterday but it's worth saying again, I cannot believe that KC's the highest level of barristers in this country are getting it so badly wrong.

Was it not indeed one of the country’s finest KCs who consistently told us all that Forest would have no issues with regard to FFP compliance?

Perhaps that should have been a warning!

 

[Notcher]

Was it not indeed one of the country’s finest KCs who consistently told us all that Forest would have no issues with regard to FFP compliance?

Perhaps that should have been a warning!

I'm giving him some leeway for the moment as it could well be at this point he was still under the impression that we would be able to deduct promotion bonuses and we would have more allowances in deductibles for COVID. I've put the brakes on bashing him for now until we know when these revelations were made to the club. It might explain his stance at that point.

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

The atmosphere yesterday looking utterly hopeless from spurs fans, Forest were very vocal. I’m not having a go at spurs fans either, it’s on par with the shittest in the premier

Does it really matter? I might get pelters for this but here goes anyway.

I rather have shit atmosphere and a team who doesn't need to rely on the support being 120% all the time just to scrape a win. It's increasingly a numbers game, more fans, more money, better players on the pitch, less likely to need the rip roaring support.

Personally, I rather have a so called soulless bowl with 50k plus inside and team being able to compete in the top 6.

If you can both however, then obviously that's ideal. I would have thought this is something the club is currently wrestling with.

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[congo_red_49]

Does it really matter?

I guess it does - but more so in games that are tight enough for it to tip the scales in our favour.

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

I guess it does - but more so in games that are tight enough for it to tip the scales in our favour.

I am saying there will be fewer of those as the team on the pitch would be better or the 50 50 games where the support matters would be against the higher places teams as supposed to almost every single game as is currently the case.

We'd be swimming in a bigger pool than we currently are, with the likes of West Ham, Villa etc.

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[Br1an01]

The new American owners of Birmingham City FC have bought the land for their proposed development from Birmingham City Council. Interesting that a council with similar problems to their counterparts in Nottingham are actually willing to co-operate with the football club.

 

[Quntib Hollox]

I am saying there will be fewer of those as the team on the pitch would be better or the 50 50 games where the support matters would be against the higher places teams as supposed to almost every single game as is currently the case.

We'd be swimming in a bigger pool than we currently are, with the likes of West Ham, Villa etc.

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Off the top of my head Villa, Leeds, Newcastle and now Birmingham have plans that make our proposed plans to increase to a potential 38k in god knows how long pretty modest. We’ll need to get to that just to stay where we are in the pecking order.

 

[Cloughie1975]

Does it really matter? I might get pelters for this but here goes anyway.

I rather have shit atmosphere and a team who doesn't need to rely on the support being 120% all the time just to scrape a win. It's increasingly a numbers game, more fans, more money, better players on the pitch, less likely to need the rip roaring support.

Personally, I rather have a so called soulless bowl with 50k plus inside and team being able to compete in the top 6.

If you can both however, then obviously that's ideal. I would have thought this is something the club is currently wrestling with.

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We wouldn’t attract 50,000.
All this ‘build it big and cram ‘em in’ talk reminds me of the England 2018 World Cup bid.
I think new 50,000 stadiums in Plymouth and Bristol were selected if England were successful-
imagine how ridiculous that would look now with both clubs miles from the Premier League.
You can’t beat ambition though.

 

[Ashley]

We wouldn’t attract 50,000.
All this ‘build it big and cram ‘em in’ talk reminds me of the England 2018 World Cup bid.
I think new 50,000 stadiums in Plymouth and Bristol were selected if England were successful-
imagine how ridiculous that would look now with both clubs miles from the Premier League.
You can’t beat ambition though.

You aren't looking forward to El Ambitiousco in a few years then?

Birmingham City's White Elephant versus our Toton Bowl. 20k fans in 50k+ stadiums that have less atmosphere than the moon playing each other in the Championship/League One. A battle for the ages!

 

[Strummer]

We wouldn’t attract 50,000.
All this ‘build it big and cram ‘em in’ talk reminds me of the England 2018 World Cup bid.
I think new 50,000 stadiums in Plymouth and Bristol were selected if England were successful-
imagine how ridiculous that would look now with both clubs miles from the Premier League.
You can’t beat ambition though.

See, this puzzles me.

“Forest wouldn‘t attract 50.000“ is what we often hear. Now, I may be wrong, but from research, the highest-ever capacity at the City Ground was apparently in excess of 49k, for a game against (I think?) Manchester United, back in the day. Nottingham - as a city - as was posted the other day, has upwards of 800.000 or so in its nearby catchment area.

So, if it has been done once, it can be done again - especially if the tickets are reasonably priced, and the offering is attractive to supporters; and - inevitably - if it is the Premier League, then yes, there will be some tourists; that is the modern game for you, perhaps not one we grew up with, but there you go.

Forest absolutely need to do something. The current stadium is, beautiful location apart, neither fit for purpose nor fit for a top-flight club. It‘s frankly obsolete, its facilities are an embarrassment, and it faces (currently) opposition from local NIMBYs and an unsympathetic local authority. The site is iconic, and there is no reason why Forest could not build something more suitable, in the same location, even if it were done stand-by-stand.

Would Forest sell 50k every other week? Maybe not. But then, Manchester City don‘t sell out every week either. And they seem to be doing OK at the moment.

But having a modern, state-of-the-art stadium, that can hold larger numbers when needed, and bring in desperately needed commercial revenue from football and other events, is something the club absolutely have to be looking to do, because if they don‘t, then there is no future in a league dominated by money - may as well just give up and f*** off back to the Championship or League One.

 

[Cloughie1975]

See, this puzzles me.

“Forest wouldn‘t attract 50.000“ is what we often hear. Now, I may be wrong, but from research, the highest-ever capacity at the City Ground was apparently in excess of 49k, for a game against (I think?) Manchester United, back in the day. Nottingham - as a city - as way posted the other day, has upwards of 800.000 or so in its nearby catchment area.

So, if it has been done once, it can be done again - especially if the tickets are reasonably priced, and the offering is attractive to supporters; and - inevitably - if it is the Premier League, then yes, there will be some tourists; that is the modern game for you, perhaps not one we grew up with, but there you go.

Forest absolutely need to do something. The current stadium is, beautiful location apart, neither fit for purpose nor fit for a top-flight club. It‘s frankly obsolete, its facilities are an embarrassment, and it faces (currently) opposition from local NIMBYs and an unsympathetic local authority. The site is iconic, and there is no reason why Forest could not build something more suitable, in the same location, even if it were done stand-by-stand.

Would Forest sell 50k every other week? Maybe not. But then, Manchester City don‘t sell out every week either. And they seem to be doing OK at the moment.

But having a modern, state-of-the-art stadium, that can hold larger numbers when needed, and bring in desperately needed commercial revenue from football and other events, is something the club absolutely have to be looking to do, because if they don‘t, then there is no future in a league dominated by money - may as well just give up and f*** off back to the Championship or League One.

Of course we need to do something with the City Ground-nobody on here is disputing that.
You make it sound easy to build a state of the art 50,000 capacity stadium in a suitable location-you may not live in Nottingham now but have you seen the f***ing state of it recently-the council is bust and
many people are struggling.
Because we attracted nearly 50,000 at the old City Ground on a few occasions when we had a good
team doesn’t mean that would be a regular occurrence should a proposed brand new bowl miraculously
spring up-my guess it would be half empty much of the time.
Do you think useless councils (who have done nothing to help Forest) and our current ownership (despite
their arguably unrealistic ambition) are really capable on delivering on a major construction project?
We need to deliver on the 38,000 (with some potential for further small growth) original proposals to
redevelop the City Ground.

 

[Redemption]

City Ground was apparently in excess of 49k, for a game against (I think?) Manchester United

Apart from this was Manchester United. So, people were turning out to George Best, Bobby Charlton, Brian Kidd, Denis Law, Alex Stepney, etc.

Also, In those days there was no segregation and no limit on travelling fans. So it's hard to say how man Mancs were there.

We did give them a belting though, so there is that.

 

[Lefkasman]

See, this puzzles me.

“Forest wouldn‘t attract 50.000“ is what we often hear. Now, I may be wrong, but from research, the highest-ever capacity at the City Ground was apparently in excess of 49k, for a game against (I think?) Manchester United, back in the day. Nottingham - as a city - as way posted the other day, has upwards of 800.000 or so in its nearby catchment area.

So, if it has been done once, it can be done again - especially if the tickets are reasonably priced, and the offering is attractive to supporters; and - inevitably - if it is the Premier League, then yes, there will be some tourists; that is the modern game for you, perhaps not one we grew up with, but there you go.

Forest absolutely need to do something. The current stadium is, beautiful location apart, neither fit for purpose nor fit for a top-flight club. It‘s frankly obsolete, its facilities are an embarrassment, and it faces (currently) opposition from local NIMBYs and an unsympathetic local authority. The site is iconic, and there is no reason why Forest could not build something more suitable, in the same location, even if it were done stand-by-stand.

Would Forest sell 50k every other week? Maybe not. But then, Manchester City don‘t sell out every week either. And they seem to be doing OK at the moment.

But having a modern, state-of-the-art stadium, that can hold larger numbers when needed, and bring in desperately needed commercial revenue from football and other events, is something the club absolutely have to be looking to do, because if they don‘t, then there is no future in a league dominated by money - may as well just give up and f*** off back to the Championship or League One.

I was at that Man utd game. Difference being it didn't cost an arm and a leg to get in.

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[Cloughie1975]

Apart from this was Manchester United. So, people were turning out to George Best, Bobby Charlton, Brian Kidd, Denis Law, Alex Stepney, etc.

Also, In those days there was no segregation and no limit on travelling fans. So it's hard to say how man Mancs were there.

We did give them a belting though, so there is that.

We also of course attracted in excess of 47,000 on Boxing Day 1977 when our best ever side hosted
a star studded Liverpool team.
How many of those occasions do you see in a lifetime?

 

[stockers]

Does it really matter? I might get pelters for this but here goes anyway.

I rather have shit atmosphere and a team who doesn't need to rely on the support being 120% all the time just to scrape a win. It's increasingly a numbers game, more fans, more money, better players on the pitch, less likely to need the rip roaring support.

Personally, I rather have a so called soulless bowl with 50k plus inside and team being able to compete in the top 6.

If you can both however, then obviously that's ideal. I would have thought this is something the club is currently wrestling with.

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I'd rather be in the 1st Division, stay at the city ground and enjoy watching my team..

 

[Cortez the Killer]

Their whole ‘kop’ end was created to help the atmosphere wasnt it? they all looked like they were stood down there and it was still utterly hopeless.

i think the saddest bit with spurs is they’ve got that awful touristy atmosphere but absolutely no success to show for it.

It won't be long before the PL and Sky have the league table reflecting profit/revenue generated instead of points gained from the games.

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[Listen 'ere young man]

I rather have 6 matches a season where we can get around 45k rather than filling it every week @ 37k.

The Premier league for all its sins is a global product and never been more popular.

Do we always want to have the glass ceiling of 12th due to lack of funds.

The problem is the current team isn't that good and a huge investment in a new stadium with the future in the league uncertain, isn't a great position to be in. A bit of a chicken and egg. If we were confident of being in this league for 4 years or so without problem, things would be progressing much quicker.

 

[Rubics]

It won't be long before the PL and Sky have the league table reflecting profit/revenue generated instead of points gained from the games.

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