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Quntib Hollox

Jack Armstrong
A little while back I was clearing out the loft and came across some books of sporting statistics that I compiled in my youth.
Among them was a list I compiled of where each clubs average league position was calculated from their very first year they joined the football league.
Put simply a team that won the top division would be #1 and for a team finishing say tenth in the championship now, they would be #30 and so on all the way down the football league structure.
So if you added up a club’s total league position and divided it by the number of years in the league you’d get their average position in the football pyramid.
The first list I’ll put up is calculated up to the 1995/96 season. Make of it what you will but it’s one way of measuring a clubs standing in the football structure.

 

Redemption

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When I last did it, also came 19th. But that was about a decade ago.

In statistics, you would say the distribution is set because annually changes only have a small impact.

It's like if you flip a coin many times, you quickly arrive at the average of circa 50%, within a small range ±0.5% and streaks of heads or tails barely register except in the decimal places.

It can change, but you have to have a long period of good or, in our case now, very bad runs.
 

Quntib Hollox

Jack Armstrong
It really demonstrates the position of Forest in the football world,Mark-(drifting mainly between
the 1st and 2nd tiers over the years).
As IRTD shows,our position has declined since your chart.If we excluded the Clough years
no doubt our rank would go down further.
I’ve deliberately held back the up to date version that highlights how the Premier league era has impacted us (and others).
 

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Strummer

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I’ve deliberately held back the up to date version that highlights how the Premier league era has impacted us (and others).
Premier League Brighton and Hove Albion in 48th!
 

Quntib Hollox

Jack Armstrong
It’s a bit skewed in favour of the founder members who had a few years when there was only 12 or so teams in the league. WBA, Blackburn, Bolton are higher than you might expect.
Interesting to me how close together many of the leagues big rivals are to each other. Liverpool/Everton, Arsenal/Spurs, Forest/Derby. Even lower down Southampton/Portsmouth, Blackpool/Preston.
 

Redemption

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Someone appears to have done something similar up to 2022 - https://drive.google.com/file/d/18fQMECa2VBbogBXDSElqTvnqOkJ6YUbE/view

There is a bit on their methodologly here - https://alltimeleaguetable.co.uk/statistics-for-all-time-league-table/

It’s a bit skewed in favour of the founder members who had a few years when there was only 12 or so teams in the league. WBA, Blackburn, Bolton are higher than you might expect.
Interesting to me how close together many of the leagues big rivals are to each other. Liverpool/Everton, Arsenal/Spurs, Forest/Derby. Even lower down Southampton/Portsmouth, Blackpool/Preston.
It would be interesting to see this on scatter plot. We'd see some interesting clustering I think.
 

Bonfy177

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Bonfy177

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Reet I’ve run the numbers and my findings aren't surprising in the least, it turns out irrespective Forest are magic on and off the pitch.

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Bonfy177

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Bonfy177

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I thought when I put a suit on my avatar photo folk might take me a little more seriously around these parts 🤔
 

DanR

Steve Chettle
I thought when I put a suit on my avatar photo folk might take me a little more seriously around these parts 🤔
Good idea, it's working for me.

But we are starting from a low baseline.
 
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