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Statto

Free Kick Specialist
This new 8 second rule. I can why they changed the punishment to a corner from indirect free kick. Not that they are ever given nowadays but those freekicks can become quite farcical and very time consuming, especially when close and you have a whole team lined up on the goal line ready to rush out.

I see this going the way of yellows for diving. We'll see a few given for the first season, then less as time goes on with refs being more lenient. A good way to police it would be a timer controlled by VAR counting down on the big screens whenever a keeper has control of the ball. Like a shot clock in snooker. Would be funny if the crowd got together and did the count for the ref, no hiding then.
They are supposed to do that in tennis now but it never really worked as it should have. They have I think 30 seconds to serve between points otherwise they're supposed to be penalised.

But the actual clock doesn't stop until the player has started their serve motion and doesn't start until the umpire called the score from the previous point. So they can try and serve and catch it (which doesn't count as anything) to stop the clock and get another go and if there has been a particularly long point previously the umpires delay calling the point which means there's plenty of time still for towelling down (most people), pulling your water bottles around and fiddling with your arse (Nadal) and bouncing the ball incessantly (Djokovic) between points. Also they don't always pull people for it (Nick Kyrgios was always going on about this and he was right) a few times and then the umpires usually warn them a few times anyway before starting to dock serves/points like with other violations. If they made it automatic that you hadn't actually served (so no catching it back) at the end of the clock you lost your first serve it would probably change. I'd perhaps like them to do that (along with getting rid of 2nd serves and lets - if your 1st doesn't clear the net legally you lose the point) as an experiment at something like the Nextgen finals where they often do that, to see what happens.

I can see this just being ignored or being another example of top six bias where smaller clubs would concede corners especially if someone like City was chasing a match.
 

Flaggers

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LTLF Minion
They are supposed to do that in tennis now but it never really worked as it should have. They have I think 30 seconds to serve between points otherwise they're supposed to be penalised.

But the actual clock doesn't stop until the player has started their serve motion and doesn't start until the umpire called the score from the previous point. So they can try and serve and catch it (which doesn't count as anything) to stop the clock and get another go and if there has been a particularly long point previously the umpires delay calling the point which means there's plenty of time still for towelling down (most people), pulling your water bottles around and fiddling with your arse (Nadal) and bouncing the ball incessantly (Djokovic) between points. Also they don't always pull people for it (Nick Kyrgios was always going on about this and he was right) a few times and then the umpires usually warn them a few times anyway before starting to dock serves/points like with other violations. If they made it automatic that you hadn't actually served (so no catching it back) at the end of the clock you lost your first serve it would probably change. I'd perhaps like them to do that (along with getting rid of 2nd serves and lets - if your 1st doesn't clear the net legally you lose the point) as an experiment at something like the Nextgen finals where they often do that, to see what happens.

I can see this just being ignored or being another example of top six bias where smaller clubs would concede corners especially if someone like City was chasing a match.
Simple tennis rule change:
Shot clock as it is now but you have 30 seconds to make a legal serve
 

Trents

Stuart Pearce
Just read that the refs will have to shout "five-second countdowns" each and every time a goalkeeper has had the ball in their hands for three seconds. Will be interesting to see how this pans out.

With the lack of time on the ball keepers will no longer have the luxury to wait for players to move up field before throwing forward into the space for a kick from ground. The attacking team can hang around more knowing the pressure is on the keeper to release it. We'll see a load more old school hoofs up to the big man from hands I recon.
 

PynchonForest

Stuart Pearce
Speaking of referees, a section of parents and two coaches from a local team were decidedly unhappy with me yesterday, even though they won. "Is your name on the bottom of the game sheet?" "Of course" and then she gives me that angry upper middle class suburban look.
 

Master Yates

Stuart Pearce
Speaking of referees, a section of parents and two coaches from a local team were decidedly unhappy with me yesterday, even though they won. "Is your name on the bottom of the game sheet?" "Of course" and then she gives me that angry upper middle class suburban look.

Shocking abuse. It’s stuff like that that stops people becoming referees


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john player

Viv Anderson
Ref today was an absolute jobsworth- the Ipswich captain shouldn’t have been booked and the Ando one was even more ridiculous


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adam09

Bob McKinlay
It looked like they were trying to get the ref to give our drop ball on the half way line despite us having it on the edge of the box and continued to argue after he waved them away multiple times. Ref was fully justified in booking him.

Thought the ref was decent though as with Arsenal, fell for a few of their dives (of which there was a lot).
 

ARedChester

Viv Anderson
Pretty sure it should have been their drop ball by the letter of the law. We had possession just in the penalty area when the ref blew up for the head injuries. Quite sure this was highlighted after the Liverpool incident. If the ref stops play and the ball is in the penalty area, irrespective who has possession, it is given to the defending team.
 

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Pretty sure it should have been their drop ball by the letter of the law. We had possession just in the penalty area when the ref blew up for the head injuries. Quite sure this was highlighted after the Liverpool incident. If the ref stops play and the ball is in the penalty area, irrespective who has possession, it is given to the defending team.

The ball was outside the box when he blew.
 

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
Pretty sure it should have been their drop ball by the letter of the law. We had possession just in the penalty area when the ref blew up for the head injuries. Quite sure this was highlighted after the Liverpool incident. If the ref stops play and the ball is in the penalty area, irrespective who has possession, it is given to the defending team.
It was outside the area so it was the correct decision

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JonnoSnr

Viv Anderson
I'm reluctant usually to criticise officials but I'm going to go back a few weeks here and say that that disallowed 4th goal vs Southampton could prove to be the turning point in our season.

The reasoning for disallowing it was ridiculous and I don't think we've been right since bar a random thrashing of Brighton's suicidal system.

If that is allowed we're more than likely cantering to an easy win there and going into the Bournemouth game on a high.
 

donny

Jack Armstrong
I see Oliver has been dropped for this weekends games following the Millwall/Palace game.
Dermot Gallagher was quite critical of his decision to book Roberts when he appeared on Sky Sports on Monday. Basically said that it was better if he sent him off and allowed VAR to correct him if wrong, also said he was involved in Thatcher/Mendes as well.
 

Rzar

Bob McKinlay
These idiots that start a witchunt against Oliver deserve everything they get, which would ideally be Anthony Taylor who the PGMOL regard as the other guy to put on big games.
 

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
These idiots that start a witchunt against Oliver deserve everything they get, which would ideally be Anthony Taylor who the PGMOL regard as the other guy to put on big games.
If it was down to me then Oliver, Taylor, Attwell, Jones, Tierney would be nowhere near any games. The rest may make mistakes too, but are generally much better.
 

Hawkeye1947

First Team Squad
If it was down to me then Oliver, Taylor, Attwell, Jones, Tierney would be nowhere near any games. The rest may make mistakes too, but are generally much better.
I really enjoy your contributions Statto but I totally disagree with you about Michael Oliver. Yes he hade a mistake but I would have him referee all the the remaining Forest matches
 

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
I really enjoy your contributions Statto but I totally disagree with you about Michael Oliver. Yes he hade a mistake but I would have him referee all the the remaining Forest matches
I think he goes on reputation as a decent ref but actually he's never really impressed me much when I've seen him, not just this mistake.

He isn't as bad as the others, but I still don't find him good really
 

Master Yates

Stuart Pearce
Chris Kavanagh good today for me, he’s usually pretty good I think.

I think I’ve seen enough of us in PL football now to know who I don’t mind reffing us and Kavanagh is in that group.


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