You can't appeal yellow cards. Despite the PGMOL saying that Rob Jones had made an incorrect decision, Boly still had to serve his ban!
Like I said another daft rule, ultimately you still get an unfair ban but cannot appeal it.
I don’t think Webb recognises them as a source of truth, as they’re not his trained refs. That’s how it typically comes across when he’s asked to comment on a decision of theirs that challenged his referee. He certainly doesn’t acknowledge or learn from the panel.
Well, what i've often wondered is if they could get ex-players to ref. It's as logical (Provided they don't have injuries which prevents the movement, which is less necessary with VARs) as moving into coaching.
So the answer here is that 2nd yellows are reviewed as they are red cards in any other sense. Including looking at the first yellow.
As I remember VAR was brought in to correct "clear and obvious errors"
That can't be the case as Boly's incorrect ban wasn't overturned - or have they changed the rules since last season?
No, it's what I'd do with it... would make a lot more sense really.
Let's give them shartwell, Taylor, Jones, Tierney and Oliver then. Problems solved.
Rule changeto benefit the arsenal.
Oh I hate VAR. It has almost killed assistant referees and it's become a huge crutch for center refs. My friend who held a FIFA badge for about 12 years, and who reffed in MLS for countless seasons, after VAR came into play his reffing changed quite demonstrably. And it was not for the better. BUT I doubt it is ever going to go away, at this point. The only significant European country that does not use VAR is Sweden.
The whole point is that it is not as simple as you make out. Different games require a different level of foul tolerance, even in the same league. You will have derbies that have a higher threshold for fouls than a "regular" game. But that tolerance is based around niggling or smaller fouls. A two footed tackle is always a two footed tackle. Studs to the knee isn't "malleable". The serious fouls don't change. But the smaller ones do. One post above goes on about jersey tugging and what is and is not a foul. There are countless grabs that are not punished during any game because they don't change the balance of possession, and that is a key aspect of when something is called. There are two main thresholds----how serious is the foul, and does the foul committed impact what is happening to the player with possession. There are tons of pushes and holds that are not called, because they are not significant enough. Now, sometimes there is a juggle between a player losing possession because of a poor touch and the grab immediately beforehand, and in the interest of having a game flow, at times that juggle might be incorrect. I play advantage very aggressively, so the odd time I might get that dynamic wrong, but the goals I have "created" by applying advantage in this manner far outweigh what I get wrong once in a while in terms of juggling whether a foul is significant enough to be called or not. But that is just my particular way of refereeing. My bottom line theory about refereeing is to have games flow as much as possible, and that is supported by the way I play advantage. If teams want to play, I will let them. If they want to be assholes, I will treat them as such, not play advantage unless it is glaringly obvious, and that might impact something they would have gained if they weren't overly demonstrative about being fouled. Indeed, different players want different things form you at different times, and trying to figure that out isn't always easy. Hopefully that clarifies things a bit.
Only two people involved in that decision, Oliver and England. And they were both wrong. But the Ars and fourth have nothing to do with that one, in any way. An AR or a fourth is not going to overrule the center ref when he is five yards away from the incident and they are forty of fifty unless it is something they are certain he did not see at all. VAR should have intervened. Darren England, ultimately, is the big villain in this instance, imho. Oliver certainly botched it, for whatever reason. But England, at the very least, should have sent him to the screen. My Serbian buddy and I were trying to figure out why Oliver gave him red. Maybe Lewis Skelly said something to him earlier that pissed him (Oliver) off. Who knows? Lewis Skelly is a kid and sometimes (and I have seen this locally) younger players get treated like they have to "earn" their place and accept a bit more physical abuse from the older players. It's wrong, and I certainly don't condone that mentality at all, but I have seen some of the experienced refs here take that tact with young "up and coming" players. Perhaps that is what happened in this game. It's a complete mystery to me why Oliver red carded him.
It's interesting the use, or mainly the lack of ARs. Majority I have seen are scared to flag for anything, instead looking at the R to see what he indicates before raising their flar in agreement. It's disappointing and shows lack of confidence by both the R and AR.
The 4th official can get people sent off though... whether they will or not depends on who they are usually and which club is playing.
You can’t have it all ways, you are hypothesising that Lewis Skelly may have mouthed off to Oliver who then logged that away to be used later. That then becomes a bias ergo referees can be bias. It’s human nature.
It was a pretty early challenge as well, if Lewis-Smelly is a gobby little kid then I doubt he would have done enough to piss Oliver off enough for him to consider sending him off to put him in his place. I doubt they would do that anyway. It sounds more like something they'd do to year 9s in Eton than on the pitch in the PL.
