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donny

donny

Grenville Morris
Interesting bit of video from Sky Sports showing EFL Refereeing.. Notice how much more concise the comms are.

www.skysports.com

Behind The Whistle: Listen to referee audio from key Championship decisions

In a Behind The Whistle special, Kevin Friend, Select Group 2 referee manager, and EFL referee Matt Donohue review in-game audio from the Championship this season alongside Sky Sports David Prutton; they explain refereeing decisions using match footage and previously unreleased audio
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GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
www.bbc.co.uk

Manchester City should not have had first penalty versus Wolves - panel

Manchester City's first penalty against Wolves should not have been given, an independent panel says
www.bbc.co.uk

Another week, another load of horseshit.

They agreed it wasn’t a penalty 3/2 but agreed VAR shouldn’t have intervened. Why not if they thing it was the wrong decision?

Also no mention of why they did intervene for the second penalty.

No mention of solanke being manhandled in the box far more conclusively by the Arsenal defender just prior to the ‘foul’ on the keeper.

Where is this threshold gone? Some rightly said it wasn’t enough to bring impede the keeper some said it wasn’t it enough to bring havertz down. Yet the majority still felt it was!!

Farcical, they don’t know what they are doing and are making it up as they go along.
 
PynchonForest

PynchonForest

John Robertson
Apollo11 said:
Quite frankly I don't care what was told to him before the game.There should be NO instructions whatsoever given to a ref,the rules of a game are written down and those should be followed to a tee, we're not talkimg about an under 8s game where a child has been scared to get a ball to the face and lifted his hands.

Any instructions that aren't within the rule book can be used quite easily for match/bet fixing and determining results knowing they can justify their decision.

When things are written down, there should be no grey areas and that's in any walk of life as there can be no misunderstanding and that means no issues.
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I agree.
 
PynchonForest

PynchonForest

John Robertson
GOBIAS said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Manchester City should not have had first penalty versus Wolves - panel

Manchester City's first penalty against Wolves should not have been given, an independent panel says
www.bbc.co.uk

Another week, another load of horseshit.

They agreed it wasn’t a penalty 3/2 but agreed VAR shouldn’t have intervened. Why not if they thing it was the wrong decision?

Also no mention of why they did intervene for the second penalty.

No mention of solanke being manhandled in the box far more conclusively by the Arsenal defender just prior to the ‘foul’ on the keeper.

Where is this threshold gone? Some rightly said it wasn’t enough to bring impede the keeper some said it wasn’t it enough to bring havertz down. Yet the majority still felt it was!!

Farcical, they don’t know what they are doing and are making it up as they go along.
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I dunno---for me this is a PK. Having said that, if PKs are wrongly given, or even highly questionable, the ref on field should be instructed to go have a look. These are game defining moments.
 
GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
PynchonForest said:
I dunno---for me this is a PK. Having said that, if PKs are wrongly given, or even highly questionable, the ref on field should be instructed to go have a look. These are game defining moments.
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I think this is it. We all know some of the decisions are subjective. So let the ref in charge make the call at least then the game is reffed to the same standard. I don’t even think the ref has made a mistake, he may have been obstructed, missed the incident at split second or whatever. Surely the technology is there to assist him.
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
This is what I find so perverse. We have the technology and panels of experts, but we hear so often "if it was given we would not have intervened" when it wasn't given on field and they were quite happy with that decision, too. In other words, whatever the decision the experts would not have intervened. Why, then, are they there?
 
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Ste

First Team Squad
So to me VAR seems to have a 4 tier system:
1 - on pitch decision correct
2 - unclear but stick with on-pitch decision
3 - possible mistake, get ref to review monitor
4 - clear and obvious error and/or missed incident

It doesn't feel like the VAR operators and refs are comfortable with 3 above - why not let the ref see it again, or ask to see it again, on the big decisions?

If rules are subjective then 2 refs might have 2 different opinions on the same incident, which is a problem and the one in the middle needs to be in charge.

I think the rules need to be changed on offside and handball to make them clearer:
- offside based on feet only as the point of the rule was to stop goal hanging not to catch people whose knee is ahead of the last defender. You could then put something in the shoes and ball and AI could make a decision.
- anytime a ball hits a hand/arm it's an immediate indirect free-kick. If deemed to be deliberate (or stopping a goal) then it's a direct free kick. Booking for deliberate. Red card for deliberate that stops a goal scoring opportunity.

That at least simplifies things to avoid some of the errors.
 
donny

donny

Grenville Morris
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MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Flaggers

Flaggers

May not be the best moderator on LTLF, but he's...
LTLF Minion
Took 'em - what - 3 days to release that footage.

How long for the audio from the Everton game.....?
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
donny said:
Its interesting they've used Jarred Gillett for this, as I think hes been the best ref in the Prem for most of the season.
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He is, and the interesting bit there also, is that Jarred was already a qualified ref over in Australia, and came over to England to either do a PhD or some postdoctoral research (in something else, can't remember exactly) so registered as a ref over here too.

He's rarely if ever involved in controversy (at least not to the extent of some others, and all refs make the odd mistake) although he does seem to be relatively lenient with contact he is like that with both teams.

I'm wondering if actually they are going to use this as an easy example for the other refs (probably more those coming up to the select group as opposed to those already in it, or those qualifying) to show how to manage a game well, how to talk to/control the players, how to see incidents etc.
 
donny

donny

Grenville Morris
Statto said:
He is, and the interesting bit there also, is that Jarred was already a qualified ref over in Australia, and came over to England to either do a PhD or some postdoctoral research (in something else, can't remember exactly) so registered as a ref over here too.
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The video of his last game in Australia is fantastic,
He initially came over to do Post Doctoral Research at John Moores, Liverpool, from what I remember, its based around an area of Sports Science.
 
Flaggers

Flaggers

May not be the best moderator on LTLF, but he's...
LTLF Minion
Chelsea 3rd goal, 3 Chelsea players into the crowd, just the 1 yellow card.
 
GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
I thought he was good in the main part. Was letting the game flow for 60 mins, then started giving ridiculously soft fouls. Booked Niakhate for time wasting (I thought he had already been booked) but then neglected to be bothered about Chelsea delaying taking free kicks.

No massive game changing issues though which is always a positive!
 
adam09

adam09

Super Koopa
Also, not sure if anybody noticed but there was a Chelsea offside which the ref waved advantage to us for as Sels had the ball. Sels then gave it to Murillo who put the ball down and touched it with his hand.

You can probably guess which long haired throbber in a blue shirt immediately went screaming to ref for a penalty.

Pretty sure they just let us have a free kick but I was surprised more wasn’t made of it.
 
GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
I said in the match day thread but the Boly goal summed up VAR for me in relation to big club bias. So many times this season I’ve wanted a VAR check on something but it is either never looked at or the check takes seconds.

Yet the boly goal was forensically looked at for an offside that from the first watch was clearly evident it wasn’t offside the minute you pinpoint which red shirt is boly. Firstly they were looking at the wrong player. They had honed in on Niakhate (i think) and sky announced it was off from this angle 🤷🏼‍♂️

They then carried on and checked beyond the offside, what could they possible have been looking at? Was it the rugby league lot checking the grounding of the try?

Same thing happened with the Awoniyi goal at home to Arsenal, 2 and a bit mins checking something even thought it was clearly a good goal.
 
GOBIAS

GOBIAS

Ian Bowyer
adam09 said:
Also, not sure if anybody noticed but there was a Chelsea offside which the ref waved advantage to us for as Sels had the ball. Sels then gave it to Murillo who put the ball down and touched it with his hand.

You can probably guess which long haired throbber in a blue shirt immediately went screaming to ref for a penalty.

Pretty sure they just let us have a free kick but I was surprised more wasn’t made of it.
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I know Sky were looking at all sorts. I do think the media ***** are causing a lot of the nonsense we see with decisions. But the commentators and Redknapp and Dawson genuinely discussed if Chelsea should have had a penalty when Jackson, who was trying to foul the keeper, then went down like a sack of shit with the slightest shove.

Then Jackson seemed to go down like a sack of shit again when Sels kicked the ball and they were going on again and I think var even looked at it. Absolutely laughable.
 
Red Ray's Redlist

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Viv Anderson
Cucerella deliberately stamped on Yates. No way that was an accident. Yates had been not so subtly riling him by shoving him whenever he got near him. At one point the little rodent launched himself like he'd been bazooka'dwhen Yates got near him. Next thing cowardly stamp. It must've been obvious because VAR actually reviewed it, though TV 6 ruling did follow.
 
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Jack Armstrong
GOBIAS said:
I know Sky were looking at all sorts. I do think the media ***** are causing a lot of the nonsense we see with decisions. But the commentators and Redknapp and Dawson genuinely discussed if Chelsea should have had a penalty when Jackson, who was trying to foul the keeper, then went down like a sack of shit with the slightest shove.

Then Jackson seemed to go down like a sack of shit again when Sels kicked the ball and they were going on again and I think var even looked at it. Absolutely laughable.
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Jackson was at Aina every time they got a corner. Pushing him, hands up in his chest and neck, then throwing himself to the floor. It was pathetic but the ref could easily have stopped it, a free kick awarded as soon as the corner is taken will focus his mind.

And as for Cucarella, a truly horrible professional.
 
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