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[Master Yates]

Game is so far gone as well with cheating that nobody in the whole football world even questions the Havertz or Brereton penalties, even though both obviously massive dives.

The game needs a reset from next season and someone needs to show the referees what a dive is.


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[GOBIAS]

The first penalty for City was a joke. Just a coming together and the ref isn’t interested at all until Foden tells him it’s a penalty, then he can’t wait to give it.

Then because he’s given one penalty, he turns down the obvious second one.

Attwell in the VAR room not asleep, for a change.

Bournemouth getting their goal disallowed because Solanke had the merest touch on Raya was f***ing pathetic too. There’s no way in hell that would be disallowed if it were the other way around.

The whole thing is just pathetically shit


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I thought the second city pen was inconclusive to be honest. But as the on field decision was no penalty I find it had to understand that it was a clear and obvious error. O’Neil said he thought it was a penalty but found it hard to understand how they arrived at the decision using the VAR guidelines.

 

[witneyred]

Ooooh he needs charging an that, you can't crititisie PGMOL, I would expect them to be relegated on that though alone.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Surely he doesn't seriously think Murillo pushed Brereton? Brereton felt a touch on his back and dropped to his knees quicker than a cheap hooker. Pathetic dive.

Even the penalty... it was daft and pointless of Montiel to even slide in there, obviously, but he's absolutely nowhere Brereton to start with.

Says it all the lad would rather put his feet together, make sure there's a touch and dramatically leap into the air instead of attempting to leap over and have a shot.

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Thought it was a dive in real time. Looks just as bad in a replay.

Sort of decision Forest don't get.

 

[Robertson]

Game is so far gone as well with cheating that nobody in the whole football world even questions the Havertz or Brereton penalties, even though both obviously massive dives.

The game needs a reset from next season and someone needs to show the referees what a dive is.


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Suddenly all the bullshit about ‘thresholds’ for contact seems to have been forgotten.

 

[Robertson]

Good for us of course but I think Burnley should probably have had a penalty today at nil nil to be honest. And the one Newcastle got (and missed) was soft in comparison. I have no idea any more .

 

[ForestWon]

Top 7 "intentional or unintentional" bias at work again... As other dodgy decisions yesterday for Varsenal & Man City Abu Dhabi cheats!

 

[valspoodle]

MOTD is just alive with re-runs of VAR decisions these days. Shows what a shambles it has become. And "Ref Watch" on Sky with dear old Dizzy Dermot was up from half an hour to an hour last week to fit it all in.

 

[Bing Crosby's Head]

MOTD is just alive with re-runs of VAR decisions these days. Shows what a shambles it has become. And "Ref Watch" on Sky with dear old Dizzy Dermot was up from half an hour to an hour last week to fit it all in.

It was quite deliberate and noticeable that they included the VAR comments on commentary for our second goal last night.

 

[Louth Red]

Yesterday we saw a referee who let an awful lot go.

I had a great view of the deliberate Murillo two handed push before the Yates goal.
I called it straight away - for once a refereeing error went in our favour.

 

[GOBIAS]

Yesterday we saw a referee who let an awful lot go.

I had a great view of the deliberate Murillo two handed push before the Yates goal.
I called it straight away - for once a refereeing error went in our favour.

It would have been soft. BB was absolutely looking for it. Pathetic, maybe if he’d tried to defend it rather than drop at the slightest touch they might not have conceded. Every tussle is t a foul.

 

[GOBIAS]

Just seen the Brighton penalty. f*** me, rob jones is a total clown. How is that a penalty?

 

[GOBIAS]

Good for us of course but I think Burnley should probably have had a penalty today at nil nil to be honest. And the one Newcastle got (and missed) was soft in comparison. I have no idea any more .

I thought neither were. But in the modern day premier league who knows? The threshold is higher but I think if one is both are.

 

[PynchonForest]

He let a hell of a lot go both ways but it was consistent wasn’t it? It’s just unusual because we’re used to seeing free kicks given for those flops a lot of the time.

Yates lucky not to get booked but have they changed the law on that recently? If the ref plays advantage, it cancels out the yellow? I’m not sure. Either way, it should be a yellow.

No real controversy for two games in a row, nice isn’t it!

Only if the foul purely applies to the advantage (aka it's just a foul). If the foul is a caution irrespective of the advantage applied, you should still revisit it when the ball goes out and issue the caution then. That foul was def a caution on it's own.

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

All this talk about the latest round of penalties totally misses the point the experts, like Deano and Gallagher, Carra and Nev, have been enlightening us about.

Come on guys, remember the threshold and it's changeable nature. What us thickos haven't realised, after all we've never played or ref'd a top flight game, is that it can actually change as a game is ongoing, or even based on the colour of the shirt. Once we can grasp this simple and supposedly fair point everything falls into place. Ref's are just doing their job.

 

[Malwood]

What I would love to see is a video from PGMOL containing fifty of the most common type of incidents saying this is a penalty, this is not, this is a red card, this is not, etc.

Make it publicly available in July. Then throughout the season every incident can be compared with the official video, and we'd all know what the correct decision is.

 

[Malwood]

Shall we have a sweepstake on which season we next get awarded a penalty?

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

What I would love to see is a video from PGMOL containing fifty of the most common type of incidents saying this is a penalty, this is not, this is a red card, this is not, etc.

Make it publicly available in July. Then throughout the season every incident can be compared with the official video, and we'd all know what the correct decision is.

Far too sensible.

I would have liked Forest to create a feed of all the similar incidents to the events we've complained about for all teams, segmented into those that match our results and those that don't.

In fact I'd have really liked them to build a statistical model based on all decisions given or not across every game in the EPL this season.
I was hoping that was why Clattenburg was employed, to provide the expert opinion on the on field and VAR decisions to feed into any such model. It would then provide the statistical likelihood of an outcome for any incident.

I'm really really confident that we'd be a big outlier for any such model.

 

[Captain Sinister]

Referee to wear camera for Palace v ManUre... are there not enough cameras at every bloody game?
Technology has failed so far, so why turn to more of the same?
Just trust the on-field officials backed up by goal-line tech, and make the rules simpler.

 

[Gyros Peter]

Referee to wear camera for Palace v ManUre... are there not enough cameras at every bloody game?
Technology has failed so far, so why turn to more of the same?
Just trust the on-field officials backed up by goal-line tech, and make the rules simpler.

The police force power trip circle can finally be completed. Bet that ref feels special. Wonder if he asked for handcuffs?

 

[apondaway]

Referee to wear camera for Palace v ManUre... are there not enough cameras at every bloody game?
Technology has failed so far, so why turn to more of the same?
Just trust the on-field officials backed up by goal-line tech, and make the rules simpler.

And yet we still can't get commentary in game (or really even after) that occurs between officials (on field and VAR) around discussions. Classic wave one hand while the other is doing something nefarious.

 

[Statto]

Referee to wear camera for Palace v ManUre... are there not enough cameras at every bloody game?
Technology has failed so far, so why turn to more of the same?
Just trust the on-field officials backed up by goal-line tech, and make the rules simpler.

Ironically it's the one PL ref who is decent who is wearing it.

Imagine if everything the likes of Shatwell, Jones, Tierney, Taylor did was on camera for everyone to draw their own conclusions.

 

[dr_horse]

Referee to wear camera for Palace v ManUre... are there not enough cameras at every bloody game?
Technology has failed so far, so why turn to more of the same?
Just trust the on-field officials backed up by goal-line tech, and make the rules simpler.

Surely there is a strong chance this will impact how the players behave. Why is it just one game? They should have made it every game that game week so every team has the same.

These guys are complete clowns.

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[Captain Sinister]

Surely there is a strong chance this will impact how the players behave. Why is it just one game? They should have made it every game that game week so every team has the same.

These guys are complete clowns.

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Players are already aware there are every-angle cameras at every ground, and a team of eagle-eyed VAR officials and every TV pundit watching their every move.
Has it modified the diving, cheating shennanigans?
No.
Are corner kicks no longer a free for all all-in wrestling event?
No.
All that the cameras have shown is that there are so many offences being committed, so much diving and casual thuggery, that it would be untenable fot the officials to call every one a free kick.
Add to that the influence of the Big 6 clubs...
Add to that TV pundits describing ungentlemanly conduct and cheating "cheeky but clever", and you know that even more cameras will make not a shred of difference.
The bit of technology the game has been crying out for is the start/stop big stadium clock so that a half is actually 45 minutes played.
The MEDIA/FA/EPL/EFL will not contenance such a useful innovation because they know 45 minutes playing time will be an hour or more of elapsed time.
The media don't like 15 minutes each way of extra time in cup competitions because it buggers up their precious schedules.
The media don't want replays, because the armchair fan wants to see a result.
It won't be long, if the media companies have their way for draws to be banned, and for a rich, obese white anglo-saxon protestant sat on a big throne on the half way line to use a thumbs up or thumbs down gesture to decide the winners if the teams are locked in a draw at 90 minutes.
(And I am now well into CWHOFB and CWHOFBY by John Nicholson, which should be required reading or every football fan).

 

[dr_horse]

Players are already aware there are every-angle cameras at every ground, and a team of eagle-eyed VAR officials and every TV pundit watching their every move.
Has it modified the diving, cheating shennanigans?
No.
Are corner kicks no longer a free for all all-in wrestling event?
No.
All that the cameras have shown is that there are so many offences being committed, so much diving and casual thuggery, that it would be untenable fot the officials to call every one a free kick.
Add to that the influence of the Big 6 clubs...
Add to that TV pundits describing ungentlemanly conduct and cheating "cheeky but clever", and you know that even more cameras will make not a shred of difference.
The bit of technology the game has been crying out for is the start/stop big stadium clock so that a half is actually 45 minutes played.
The MEDIA/FA/EPL/EFL will not contenance such a useful innovation because they know 45 minutes playing time will be an hour or more of elapsed time.
The media don't like 15 minutes each way of extra time in cup competitions because it buggers up their precious schedules.
The media don't want replays, because the armchair fan wants to see a result.
It won't be long, if the media companies have their way for draws to be banned, and for a rich, obese white anglo-saxon protestant sat on a big throne on the half way line to use a thumbs up or thumbs down gesture to decide the winners if the teams are locked in a draw at 90 minutes.
(And I am now well into CWHOFB and CWHOFBY by John Nicholson, which should be required reading or every football fan).

You are right that more cameras and tech won't change anything unless twinned with enforcement.

Where we have seen that is retrospective action on blatant dives and off the ball incidents - you see both far less now.



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