Mr. Blonde
Jack Burkitt
Well the panel are independent of the Premier League so they can do all the leaning they want; unless there truly is corruption going on it will have zero effect on their decision
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Snatchday 1: Nottingham Forest Vs the PGMOL
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JohnnyCarey
Viv Anderson
Another point to be considered here is that Forest may well end up paying Attwell a shitload of money. The libel laws place the onus of proof on whoever makes the allegation. We have effectively pointed the finger at Attwell for being corrupt. That's the most serious allegation we could possibly make against both his personal character and his professional standing. If he sues -- and I would bet that there are money-grubbing lawyers on the phone to him right now -- NFFC has to prove in court, not that Attwell made poor judgements, but that he did so deliberately and for a corrupt purpose -- i.e. to help Luton. But that's unprovable. How we can show what was going on in his head?
So sickening as it may be to contemplate we could well end up giving Attwell the price of a nice house and having to issue a grovelling apology to him. Is that really what the club thought it was doing?
So sickening as it may be to contemplate we could well end up giving Attwell the price of a nice house and having to issue a grovelling apology to him. Is that really what the club thought it was doing?
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
Probably the same people that would have said "FIFA, the worlds governing body are corrupt, give over"
Just because we've had it so good for so long people think it won't happen here. It's the same with wars, there's hardly anyone alive the last time this country was attacked on theses shores and people think it could just couldn't possibly happen because it's so far out of their own bubble of reality.
Money corrupts, it happens with our politicians, our police officers, universities, and publicly trading companies. Yet somehow people think that a few refs and executives at the PL are immune to it? Unbelievable naivety.
magicwoand
It tizwas it is
This is the straw that broke the camels back. We have been on the wrong end of numerous bad decisions since the Bournemouth game, we have complained , we have appointed a former referee as an intermediary, but we have never had any answers. Liverpool got the VAR transcript when they were wrong per and a grovelling apology. We’ve had nothing. Then in a crucial, relegation battle game we have an inexplicable 3 penalties missed by the referee but also by VAR that had the power to correct the poor decision. What else can the club do? Nothings happened up to now,
For those that say we shouldn’t have tweeted it, what are they gonna do not give us some decisions?
For those that say we shouldn’t have tweeted it, what are they gonna do not give us some decisions?
NFFC_Josh
Grenville Morris
Louis Saha the only one talking some sense. The other two shills know where their bread is buttered.
eyupmeduck
Geoff Thomas
Who appoints the independent panel and who pays them? Its a genuine enquiry btw not one I'm making from inside my bunker with my little tin foil hat on suspecting further wrongdoing.
I'm just interested as to whether the club/premier league have any say and where the cash comes from.
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magicwoand
It tizwas it is
I hope he does then he can explain why he didn’t give the 3 penalty decisions. We can show him the one he gave against us for Manchester a United.
HappyHappyJoyJoy
Viv Anderson
Neville and Carraghers self righteous hypocrisy is even more pathetic than the tweet.
If those 3 pens are not given for their beloved teams or any other of the Sky Big Six they would never shut up about it and scream corruption.
And that's why that would never happen and they always get the decisions.
The media are as guilty as anyone of feeding the hype machine that makes the Prem such an uncompetitive league, all their hand wringing makes me nauseous.
f*** em.
If those 3 pens are not given for their beloved teams or any other of the Sky Big Six they would never shut up about it and scream corruption.
And that's why that would never happen and they always get the decisions.
The media are as guilty as anyone of feeding the hype machine that makes the Prem such an uncompetitive league, all their hand wringing makes me nauseous.
f*** em.
carlosmerino
Viv Anderson
Semantics I know but the we could have X number of penalties surely isn't accurate. Not to go all sliding doors but we get the first one and that changes the whole game and the other two incidents wouldn't play out as they did unless we believe everything is already mapped out in front of us. We could have got the first and Everton go all out attack and beat us for instance.
Bit deep for a Sunday evening but hope you catch my drift.
Bit deep for a Sunday evening but hope you catch my drift.
chaospunx
Geoff Thomas
I'm only laughing because I constantly have this argument with people it's one of my favourites and you are of course 100% right
But I think the way we got none of 3 pretty blatant ones especially when we have seen nearly the exact replica of each one given against us this year
JohnnyCarey
Viv Anderson
I really wish this were the case, but all he has to say in court is that he made those judgements in good faith, even if they were mistaken. Corruption (which is in effect the allegation we've made) is not about whether a decision was right or wrong -- it's about whether it was made for the right or wrong reasons. I can't stress enough -- and I have a lot of personal experience of this -- that the onus would be 100 per cent on NFFC to prove, not just that he f---ed up, but that he f---d up deliberately. We have to be able to show that he coldly chose to deny us clear penalties in order to help Luton. You and I may well think that but proving it is a whole other ball game.
NFFC_Josh
Grenville Morris
Not deep at all mate. We get an equaliser in any of those penalty shouts, it completely changes the game. I was at the ground and you could feel an anxiousness around the stadium.
bearwood red
A. Trialist
I don’t think the issue is corruption (although it was a stupid appointment for this game). The issue is that PGMOL don’t want incidents ‘re-refereed’ so have set the bar really high for the VAR to intervene. I can understand why they would want that. But it’s fundamentally flawed because you’re giving all the influence to the official with the worst view. It doesn’t help referees when their mistakes are not corrected. I’m sure most just want to get the right decision.
Forest tweet borne out of understandable frustration but not a smart move. We’ve now lost the moral high ground and it will achieve nothing positive.
Forest tweet borne out of understandable frustration but not a smart move. We’ve now lost the moral high ground and it will achieve nothing positive.
Mr. Blonde
Jack Burkitt
The independent panel (or Commission as they are formally known) is made up of members of the Premier League Judicial Panel and are selected by the independent Chair of the Judicial Panel, which is currently Murray Rosen KC
It's made up of various legal, financial and other relevant professionals
Cloughie1975
John Robertson
Just bin VAR in that case-it’s more trouble than it’s worth.
Masuka
Jack Burkitt
Same Gary Neville by the way who openly talks on his podcast saying that he thinks teams Manchester United played in the champions league back when he was playing were doping because they didn’t look tired at the end of a game. So it’s ok for him to talk baselessly about corruption but not for us to suggest it.
Hypocrite wanker
Hypocrite wanker
Thanks for posting just look at the comments on YouTube, Sky will have a relationship with PGMOL, Saha not giving a crap if he is invited back, notice the few taps on his arm to try and guide him to stop talking against.
NFFC_Josh
Grenville Morris
No worries! Yeah I highly doubt they will allow Saha back again
The majority of the comments do support what we said.MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
We're not claiming corruption against Atwell but against PGMOL.
We don't need to demonstrate anything extra in that regard: we asked for a change of VAR official for impartiality reasons, we weren't granted it and we've been on the receiving end of 3 game changing decisions.
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
Worth reading the comments in this. Virtually every single one is backing Forest and the statement.
magicwoand
It tizwas it is
At least we’d get to here the explanation of why he made those decisions, I want to here the transcripts particularly the 3rd penalty. id like him to explain why he gave Marcus Rashford a penalty at old Trafford and not Reyna at Goodson.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
That might be the case but they have stopped short of saying that Attwell was corrupt.
The three penalties and the VAR being a Luton fan are separate paragraphs, it is only by implication that the two are linked.
shatwell shouldn't be on VAR in a match which the outcome affects his team even if his team are not involved. Everton were ahead of us so it makes more sense to keep Forest down (i.e. a Forest win being less preferable to a draw) from a Luton perspective as it's one less point they need to get.
He was the ref for the Man U game and I think Taylor was on VAR that day but he hasn't reffed us in the league since. Taylor did Man City, Newcastle and Brighton (ironically our only pen) before today.
If that happens though I suspect they'll just pay shatwell some money so it doesn't go to court and it's all brushed under the carpet.
Masuka
Jack Burkitt
Exactly he should never have been on VAR duty. If the league don’t allow refs to referee the team they support then they must agree that supporting a team could cloud a referees judgement. So how has he still ended up on VAR in a game involving 2 relegation rivals of his team even after we complained about it.
Mr. Blonde
Jack Burkitt
Perhaps, but I'd put money on the vast majority of those comments coming from Forest fans
Notcher
Stuart Pearce
There's some but from how they are worded it's clear there's a hell of a lot from other supporters.