Lefkasman
Ian Bowyer
That's if you can call it a job.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41673969
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41673969
Should they keep their jobs?
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Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
There needs to be more women in pro football too :yes:
#SJWpower
#SJWpower
Le Juif Rouge
Senior Mass Debater
The FA has been a farce for years now. It doesn't lead, but just stumbles along behind trying to catch up. Governing bodies generally tend to attract people for the wrong reasons, and they then stay in power for too long.
Sack them? Yes, but all of them and start again.
Sack them? Yes, but all of them and start again.
valspoodle
Steve Chettle
The problems of the FA are vividly illustrated in the allocation of tickets for the Cup Final. Far too many hangers on and puffed up individuals from around the country are given tickets showing just how difficult it will be to bring this organisation up to date.
There are just too many with a vested interest in the status quo to allow the organisation to change.
There are just too many with a vested interest in the status quo to allow the organisation to change.
Le Juif Rouge
Senior Mass Debater
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
Summed-up perfectly Richard.
george lyall
Jack Armstrong
Old farts and old school tie, living in the past and trying to hang on. Time and time again they talk a good talk just to try and keep themselves relevant and fail to deliver, they used to be good at using the FA cup to promote themselves they cant do that anymore they flogged it off to the highest bidder on the premise that it would help smaller clubs but who knows where it goes. The football league are just as bad too
Sack the lot of them!
Bryn Gunn
Cash is King!
This is what bugs me about them. They are neither here nor there. Part clinging to the past, part trying to move forward.
The game has left them behind and they become more irrelevant as each year passes.
Get rid of them and give the whole thing a shake up, get safe standing here, reduce admission prices and take better care of smaller clubs. Start looking after fans instead of corporates and stop using tickets for back scratching and favours.
We were on about the treatment of fans today, it's always been poor and hasn't actually got any better. We all paid for Hillsborough and still are, they sold it to us as safety.
Get rid of the useless bastards.
You make a cracking point as ever Bryn.
I compare the "supporter" experience here in Germany and it is light years ahead of what you get in the UK. In English stadia, you're herded in, forced to sit, policed by draconian jobsworths in their hi-vi jackets itching to get into you for the merest perceived transgression and delighting in throwing you out or confiscating your ticket.
Here in Germany, if you generally behave yourself, you will find no hassle at all. And because of that trust, generally, supporters are well behaved. Yes, the atmosphere is boisterous, much better than in the UK, but there are limits, and fans stick to them. You do get frisked briefly on your way in, but that's it. The Matchday stewarding is hands-off, and their attitude is polite and helpful.
They don't mind standing - in Stuttgart, one whole end of the Mercedes-Benz Arena, known as the "Cannstatter Kurve" is mostly open standing (proper terracing) and it attracts the most vocal element of the VfB Stuttgart support. There's singing, chanting, and lots of flags, and - more important - very rarely any trouble.
Bryn Gunn
Cash is King!
Spot on mate.
We are criminalized here and pay a pretty penny for it. I'm sick of it, and sick of a lot of other things too, like seeing good little clubs go down the pan.
We are light years behind and its partly due to them idiots.
george lyall
Jack Armstrong
Yesterdays Sport and Media select cttee. Was a re run of the one in 2011 when the cttee ran out of patience with the FA on its failure to reform and its lack of diversity. In the intervening years they have repackaged and rebranded, followed by new personnel! Trouble is they are just recycled clones of the past. In short nothing has changed and I have little confidence it will until its too late
See if this works (f***ing YouTube!)
This is a brief clip last Friday of the Cannstatter Kurve in full voice - it’s 0-0 at this Point - but they don’t care. Alan Bexon would lay an egg.
And yes, the chap in front of me is enjoying a smoke, as I was enjoying a bier:
https://youtu.be/FVjAjXWRL-w
This is a brief clip last Friday of the Cannstatter Kurve in full voice - it’s 0-0 at this Point - but they don’t care. Alan Bexon would lay an egg.
And yes, the chap in front of me is enjoying a smoke, as I was enjoying a bier:
https://youtu.be/FVjAjXWRL-w
Oh and when The Swabians went 1-0 up, that whole "Kurve" you can see there start bouncing up and down, in time.
Which was impressive.
Which was impressive.
And when the winning goal was scored in front of them on the 94th minute, it sparked something akin to a - very civilised - riot.
No wonder my post count, etc.
Barry
Where's me hammer?
Cant forgive German football for their goal music..... sorry, i cant
george lyall
Jack Armstrong
Its a real sense of community. That type of thing has unfortunately been knocked out of Britain, not just talking football here but in the country as a whole. Cheap entry, enjoyment, passion are all as Brynn said no longer allowed in the game, however as you know cricket is different even though it is a gentile game in comparison, has it,as does rugby both codes and of course ice hockey. It seems the authorities in football have a wish to self destruct and be damned with the consequences
Barry
Where's me hammer?
Sack the lot, start again.
Run it as an association looking after all its members not as a business looking out for its major share holders
Run it as an association looking after all its members not as a business looking out for its major share holders
It is George, you are right. You can - if you are quick - get a Matchday ticket in the Cannstatter Kurve for around €25 (it sells out within a couple of days for home games), and you see the same folk in there every other week, and it's the hard-core support who congregate in that area. They sing, they shout, they wave their flags, they jump up and down (a lot) and they support their team, and crucially, they are left to get on with it.
There is a sense of fun around German football that you don't see anymore in British grounds. It's not just because Die Mannschäft are bloody good (and they know it), it's more because - as you say, and prompted in part by the legendary 50+1 ownership model that promotes supporter-involvement (apart from certain clubs - f*** you, "RB" Leipzig) - that the supporters feel genuinely involved in their club. Because, well, they are, in many cases up to Board-level with supporter representatives.
The English football experience is - very, very, sadly - a sanitised damp squib in comparison.
As I've mentioned before, if you get the chance to visit a German ground, you should grasp it. There are cracking matches every week in the 1. and 2. Bundesliga, and tickets are cheap and plentiful (as are budget flights).
Le Juif Rouge
Senior Mass Debater
It is the culture of non-accoutablity that is the problem, and it has been growing steadily since the 1970s. Those in positions of authority place procedures, firewalls and people between them and those they are supposed to be serving.
The HR departments are now there to protect management from the staff.
Outside consultants are commissioned to submit reports that management does not want to take the flack for.
So called "experts" are trotted out to justify unpopular decisions and relieve management of the responsibility.
Armies of jobsworths are employed to enforce petty rules and discourage dissent.
The company my wife used to work for never fired anyone in the warehouse for stealing, they fired them for not following procedures by being in possession of an item outside of the designated area. Theft is a criminal matter and they didn't want the extra bother and publicity that goes with that
The large German conglomerate is almost the opposite. We get a quarterly "Crime Report" covering all sites, delivered by a chap who must be the German-equivalent of Shew Taylor, and he gives us not only the details of the "crimes" involved, but also the economic loss to the company (where it is identified and hasn't been recovered) and - more juicily - the fate of any perpetrators caught.
In Germany, for example, the company are only too keen to involve the Polizei if and when they suspect foul-play, and no quarter is offered, with offenders summarily dismissed for gross misconduct and subject to the full fury of German law, which in many cases results in a prison sentence.
I actually respect them more for that, as they not only protect their intellectual property (of which there is a staggering amount) but also their physical property too.
Barry
Where's me hammer?
Chap my old man worked with got fired for being in the canteen and using the wrong tea bags...its an American company and on July the 4th they get a free drink....
He worked nights and the actual canteen was closed so he went to what he thought was the free tea bags and took one to make a drink.... apparently they were in another box at the side of the non free tea bags, it was caught on camera and he was sacked.... he had been an employee for 15 years.
Eddie Yates
Steve Chettle
f***ing tea leaf
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
I've not taken a listen, but I'm hoping it some oompah band.