Nuno Herlander Simões Espírito Santo

[PlayedOnGrass]

What about the dark days under Hughton or does that not count?

I appreciate he spends money but I can also criticise how poorly he spends it.

Yes they were dark days under Hughton.
I cannot remember one discerning voice when he was appointed though. In fact everyone was excited that we had employed a manager who had taken his last 2 clubs to the EPL.
He gave him the COVID season - which was understandable due to the circumstances - and then started with him for the first few matches of the following season.
A lot of people would argue that 6 matches was not long enough to judge whether to sack Hughton or not. He made the decision sack him and take a risk on a comparative unknown. No one on here or anywhere else knew how SC would perform. EM took the gamble and won. But it wasn't him it was Murphy, remind me, who appointed Murphy?
EM gave SC every opportunity to succeed this season, more money & more players. Unfortunately it didn't work our and we actually went backwards.
Last season we beat the 3 relegated clubs at home.
This season we have won 1 and drawn 2 - against 3 worse teams.
That is why he had to be replaced

 

[Morpeth]

I don't think he has done anything good, I'm pretty open about that.

For what it's worth I don't think there are many "good" owners out there either. Football as an industry is utterly f**ked with the costs involved from a clubs operational POV so the best most owners can do is to get their club to tread water. It takes a special owner with a long-term horizon and plenty of intellect to really change a club for the better, like Tony Bloom has done at Brighton.

Well I think most people, including myself, would allow him some credit. Not a lot else to say really.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Well I think most people, including myself, would allow him some credit. Not a lot else to say really.

It would be interesting to hear what exactly people think Marinakis has done well.

I'm not allowed to attribute signings to certain people, or question scope of responsibilities at the club - fine. But when it comes to talking about Marinakis actual tangible work here then the answer just seems to be that as he was custodian at the time the club was promoted he gets the credit (I'm sure he'll love that mind).

So... feel free to tell me all about the strategic masterplan he had that I've missed.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Being better than Fawaz isn't an accolade to stand on. Even Alf would have been a better steward of the club than Fawaz.

The new badge logo would be awesome, and there'd be cheerleaders pre-match, post-match and at half time.

I'd be the focking Carlsberg of club stewards.

 

[PlayedOnGrass]

I'm enjoying wartching the style of football too, but go back the beginning of last season when Cooper was trying to play more expansive : -

2-3 Fulham 40% possession
2-3 Bournemouth 51% possession

we even had 49% possession against Leicester in the next game and only 2 less shots on goal but lost 4-0, then he became more conservative and switched to low-block to get results. All that with players that most of this forum wouldn't have anywhere near the side.

Quite a few of the players are far technically superior to what we were trying to play football with last season, but we still have a squad imbalance with a few gaping holes in certain positions, so we are getting the same results. I hope he doesn't have to, but how many more 1-2, 2-3 results are going to see Nuno go 3 at the back, or 3 in CM and back to conservatism.

It is because we have more gifted players and are better going forward that we will not have to change philosophy (hopefully).
You are right though- we need to reduce the silly mistakes at the back. We have enough talent in the team to score goals against the majority of teams in this league. I am hoping that this style will see us get some wins on the road to the bottonm clubs as well - as I think we will need to win probably 6 games from our remaining 14 - we have some difficult home games, so we need to win @ Luton. Sheff Utd, Burnley & Everton.

 

[Robertson]

If we look back at the Chris Wood deal at a certain point it was almost gospel on here that it was Cooper's choice but then later on it turned out it was more Giraldi and Charnley who actually wanted him and Shelvey.

Although in the article by Daniel Taylor following the recent transfer deadline he again reiterated that Cooper was keen on bringing those players in.

 

[magicwoand]

It would be interesting to hear what exactly people think Marinakis has done well.

I'm not allowed to attribute signings to certain people, or question scope of responsibilities at the club but when it comes to talking about Marinakis actual tangible work then the answer just seems to be that as he was custodian at the time the club was promoted he gets the credit.

I'm sure he'll love that mind.

The custodian of the club is there to keep the club afloat, hopefully improve the club results wise and financially, hire the right staff and provide the finances to do all that. Literally being so blinkered that you attribute none of this to him is bordering on insanity.

 

[Cloughie1975]

The new badge logo would be awesome, and there'd be cheerleaders pre-match, post-match and at half time.

I'd be the focking Carlsberg of club stewards.

The free beer at half-time would make you a club legend,Alf.

 

[PlayedOnGrass]

Done to death.

Without Marinakis over-spending and getting us to that oh-so-wonderful 17th finishing position under Hughton then he wouldn't have been forced to bring in someone from Barnsley to work with large financial constraints to help us avoid the drop. That hire excelled all targets by bringing in quality cheap loans and hiring a miracle worker of a manager. Nothing to do with Marinakis who had actively taken a step back from operations at this point. He'd also have never have gone down the Dane route if he wasn't forced.

Then Dane was unceremoniously axed by Marinakis and Jr who wanted to go on a spending spree with his new found revenue obtained through PL participation, not his own cash, and he foisted an unbalanced side on Cooper who worked more miracles keeping us up. Marinakis then got upset about fans adulation for Cooper, fired him and replaced him with his own guy who's fine but struggling to deliver anything better under an unbalanced squad and FFP issue caused by manchilds spree.

Being better than Fawaz isn't an accolade to stand on. Even Alf would have been a better steward of the club than Fawaz.

What has Marinakis actually done that he can personally call on that has benefitted NFFC?
1) Got us promoted? No: Cooper & Dane.
2) Improved the finances of the club: No, his personal actions have made our finances weaker.
3) Improved the infrastructure of the club: No, no improvement.
4) Improved the fan experience? No, no improvement and made it more expensive.

I am actually gobsmacked and speechless reading this twaddle

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

The custodian of the club is there to keep the club afloat, hopefully improve the club results wise and financially, hire the right staff and provide the finances to do all that. Literally being so blinkered that you attribute none of this to him is bordering on insanity.

1) Keeping the club afloat doesn't set him apart from 99% of owners. Nor is it in his interest to let the club go bankrupt as he'd lose his £40m investment.
2) Improve the clubs result wise: Morpeth said a few posts back this wasn't the responsibility of the owner?
3) Hire the right staff: Only manager he's not personally hired is the one that got us up, lol.
4) Providing the finances to do all that: OK, you can have that one for our time in the Championship.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

The free beer at half-time would make you a club legend,Alf.

Served by buxom wenches dressed in lederhosen

 

[Morpeth]

It would be interesting to hear what exactly people think Marinakis has done well.

I'm not allowed to attribute signings to certain people, or question scope of responsibilities at the club - fine. But when it comes to talking about Marinakis actual tangible work here then the answer just seems to be that as he was custodian at the time the club was promoted he gets the credit (I'm sure he'll love that mind).

So... feel free to tell me all about the strategic masterplan he had that I've missed.

You’re getting a response on this from a few posters, not because they have load of items to counter you, but because of the way you say things as fact - “done to death” etc.

Your opinion is fine and you’re welcome to it but it’s a bit odd to ask for the strategic masterplan off me when the things you’re presenting are a bit dodgy and not even particularly relevant.

The fact is that there probably is some strategic plan that we don’t get to see, and there’s got to be some element of planning on what I assume you think are desperate measures e.g. appointing Dane.

 

[Captain Sinister]

The custodian of the club is there to keep the club afloat, hopefully improve the club results wise and financially, hire the right staff and provide the finances to do all that. Literally being so blinkered that you attribute none of this to him is bordering on insanity.

The club owner is there to access the billions being in the Prem offers to successful teams.
Our trouble is we don’t have a successful team and the owner hasn’t fully twigged the odds against him getting a successful team are stacked against him.

 

[Cloughie1975]

Served by buxom wenches dressed in lederhosen

That might fill the stadium on a cold wet Wednesday night against Plymouth.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

I am actually gobsmacked and speechless reading this twaddle

Here's the true question of Marinakis' impact here:

Would we miss him if he f**ked off tomorrow and was replaced by even a mediocre owner? (Basically anyone that wasn't on the Alan Hardy, Oyston or Fawaz level of incompetence)

 

[Cloughie1975]

The club owner is there to access the billions being in the Prem offers to successful teams.
Our trouble is we don’t have a successful team and the owner hasn’t fully twigged the odds against him getting a successful team are stacked against him.

Agreed,Captain-but his odds would improve with tighter control and better planning.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

You’re getting a response on this from a few posters, not because they have load of items to counter you, but because of the way you say things as fact - “done to death” etc.

Your opinion is fine and you’re welcome to it but it’s a bit odd to ask for the strategic masterplan off me when the things you’re presenting are a bit dodgy and not even particularly relevant.

The fact is that there probably is some strategic plan that we don’t get to see, and there’s got to be some element of planning on what I assume you think are desperate measures e.g. appointing Dane.

If there is a strategic plan that we've executed/executing I'd love to see it.

I think on balance of probability given what has transpired under his tenure then the likeihood is we've no clue and are making it up as we go along.

 

[PlayedOnGrass]

Paul and Daniel Taylor have eluded to Murphy (and Syrianos as the data expert) having full control of transfers in that period.

Again, just because Marinakis was the owner doesn't make him personally responsible for the work gone in to get us where we are.

You don't get to hog the credit for others work just because you're an owner. You either have to lift some tools or you have to set the strategy and vision and execute it.

So the question is: Was his hiring of Dane strategic or a desperate workaround for self-inflicted financial difficulties?

You're welcome to your opinion on that one but given what has transpired since promotion it should be pretty obvious what the answer is.

Both of the Taylor's have got personal vendettas against EM - because he gives them nothing and sees them for what they are - 2nd rate journalists.
I don't believe one word they print or say.
They distort everything they write to justify their personal agendas

 

[Morpeth]

1) Keeping the club afloat doesn't set him apart from 99% of owners. Nor is it in his interest to let the club go bankrupt as he'd lose his £40m investment.
2) Improve the clubs result wise: Morpeth said a few posts back this wasn't the responsibility of the owner?
3) Hire the right staff: Only manager he's not personally hired is the one that got us up, lol.
4) Providing the finances to do all that: OK, you can have that one for our time in the Championship.

I actually said the the owner is ultimately responsible. So the opposite of what you’re saying I said.

 

[magicwoand]

1) Keeping the club afloat doesn't set him apart from 99% of owners. Nor is it in his interest to let the club go bankrupt as he'd lose his £40m investment.
2) Improve the clubs result wise: Morpeth said a few posts back this wasn't the responsibility of the owner?
3) Hire the right staff: Only manager he's not personally hired is the one that got us up, lol.
4) Providing the finances to do all that: OK, you can have that one for our time in the Championship.

1) Theres plenty of owners who don't keep there clubs afloat so 99% is wrong
2) So a 'rule' you've misinterpreted off a random former to make a point (No offence Morpeth) Improve results by sacking a manager who's not getting good enough results. Owners responsibility.
3) He hired Dane Murphy, something you can't seem to grasp.
4) We've spent more than was provided by getting promoted, hence we are potentially going to get punished for.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Both of the Taylor's have got personal vendettas against EM - because he gives them nothing and sees them for what they are - 2nd rate journalists.
I don't believe one word they print or say.
They distort everything they write to justify their existence

Got it. Everyone who doubts Marinakis has a vendetta.

Thanks Mitildas.

 

[Robertson]

Here's the true question of Marinakis' impact here:

Would we miss him if he f**ked off tomorrow and was replaced by even a mediocre owner? (Basically anyone that wasn't on the Alan Hardy, Oyston or Fawaz level of incompetence)

We sure as hell would if he was replaced by any of the numerous asset strippers and vultures there are out there. Say what you like about Marinakis, he isn’t that.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

I actually said the the owner is ultimately responsible. So the opposite of what you’re saying I said.

You said managers are responsible for player performances and I took that to mean results as that seemed the logical conclusion to draw. Apologies.

 

[magicwoand]

Got it. Everyone who doubts Marinakis has a vendetta.

Thanks Mitildas.

You seem to have a vendetta.

 

[Statto]

Although in the article by Daniel Taylor following the recent transfer deadline he again reiterated that Cooper was keen on bringing those players in.

Keen might well have meant as much as Giraldi and Charnley (who knew both Shelvey and Wood from Newcastle) saying to Cooper, look we can get Shelvey and Wood for you, how would this sound?
And then you've got SC needing goals and being offered one of the most consistent PL finishers over the last few seasons who played in a struggling side mostly, he's going to want this? And Shelvey who played in the PL pretty much all of his career for Newcastle, Liverpool etc...

What journalists in general say cannot necessarily be trusted especially if they have a hidden agenda and are trying to enforce a certain viewpoint.

Remember earlier in the season, we were doing well, we'd not lost many and it was around the time of the Villa game when people in the media were talking about Cooper being under pressure, and there was various stuff which came out about various things, the Worrall/McKenna issues, the fan base at the time was pretty much all behind Cooper, but there was a clear agenda in certain quarters to seed dissent, and to reduce Cooper's popularity with the fan base to make a sacking feel justifiable, in the end the results declined to match this, the odds on Cooper becoming the next manager to go reduced dramatically, nd eventually it happened.

Marinakis may be a lot of things, but he isn't stupid, and it isn't necessarily impossible he had been feeding DT and the others with stories to help them publicly undermine Cooper so they could sack him. Not saying this is what happened, but it wouldn't necessarily surprise me if it was true.