He needs to re align that expectation in my books, he can either do a Brighton and make the team well run which will get us nearer that expectations otherwise it's needs quality signings. Yes we have spent a lot but no where near 50 mill players, like paqueto of west ham, cunha of wolves. villa have spent 100mill on transfers each year for the last 4 years to get to where they are.
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Wasn't that based on the fct given 31st of March though when you were a point behind 12th with a game in hand rather than from beginning of the year?
Which would make the rest of your post incorrect about what expectations would be from the owner and it's just adding fuel to the fire unccessarily?
SouthManchesterTree
Viv Anderson
Saying it’s an expectation doesn’t make it a realistic expectation.
10th might just happen if several players really improve a couple of levels. Relegation could happen if a few things go wrong. A sensible central scenario, to be used for budgeting and measuring success, should be 15th or 16th. That’s just realistic for a club that’s been out of the Prem for quarter of a century, has a knackered stadium, and has inexperienced business leaders that don’t know the Prem yet
The owner is the one setting the targets not me.
Personally I think he's in fantasy land with top 10 but he's the boss.
And a good number of supporters were telling us late last year that we have a top half squad which was being held back by the manager, so 10th should maybe be the benchmark.
And which of these press reports actually have words coming out of his mouth stating by which year?
Genuine question as I've had a quick look and except for direct comments stating "he's dreaming of a top 10" I can't see him settling a deadline for this.
I'd also like to add he's a game of way from taking a crappy Greek team to a European final,whether it's just the Uefa conference final or not doesn't matter.
This is against all odds playing against the Millions and millions invested from teams from the Top 5 leagues in Europe so there may be something in what he hopes to achieve with Forest.
This is against all odds playing against the Millions and millions invested from teams from the Top 5 leagues in Europe so there may be something in what he hopes to achieve with Forest.
Robertson
Geoff Thomas
Just because EM is ultimately aiming for the top half doesn’t mean he’s going to fire Nuno for not reaching it, this season or next. He fired Cooper because it looked like we could be relegated and Nuno has been firefighting ever since.
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I can't be bothered to find it but the words used were along the lines of the owner has said he wants top 10 followed by top 6.
As I said, I think that's fantasy land, even in the next 5 years but I'm not the one running the club with those expectations.
Plenty of supporters thought we had a top half squad too. Again, I was doubtful. I'd have been happy finishing where we hope to finish now.
He fired Cooper because he wasn’t a PL standard manager.
Redemption
One less gobshite...
Not a direct quote but a piece in The Athletic after a loss to Brighton left Marinakis livid. A win would have taken us to 11th or joint 10th with Chelsea.
Robertson
Geoff Thomas
Exactly. There’s a difference between “i’d like Forest to be in the top half of the league” and “if we don’t finish 10th or higher this season I’m sacking the manager”
I'm not being funny gents and it's genuinely nothing against either of you,but it's always "can't find them now" or "can't find direct quotes" when asked about these Top 10 or Top 6 comments,never any actually published.
People can take things as gospel, stupidly in my opinion, but until it's actually come from the horse mouth it's not really an argument that can be used over and over again it's really not fair on an individual (whether you like them or not), especially one thats changed the Nottingham Forest landscape in the last couple years.
Redemption
One less gobshite...
I'd say that's fair.
But if he never says anything, do you under that he has no policy or preferences?
This isn't actually the article I was thinking of, I have a vague recollection that was in the Athletic, but it's contemporary and suggests the owner had top ten ambitions this season.
As I keep saying, that's not me, it's the owner.
Cooper told to secure Nottingham Forest top-10 finish as job under threat
Football Insider has learned that Nottingham Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis is targeting a top-ten finish this term as pressure grows on Steve Cooper.
He wanted to fire Cooper last year, he only didnt as he knew he'd lose the City Ground.
EM wants to be a top half club, he doesn't have sentiment, he sees thing as black and white. It's that simple.
Of course he has policies and preferences, which billionaire doesn't?
But this doesn't also mean that automatically they are not realistic and live in a world of their own(that's neorich celebs imo and non business people that have had to build up something),they've not made their money by just gambling on red all the time,they know what needs to be done more than most of us.
I understand the sentiment of football but just because someone doesn't say something,doesn't mean that people have to make up intentions to fit a narrative.
Robertson
Geoff Thomas
Whatever you say. I don’t see things in black and white though.
This isn't actually the article I was thinking of, I have a vague recollection that was in the Athletic, but it's contemporary and suggests the owner had top ten ambitions this season.
As I keep saying, that's not me, it's the owner.
Cooper told to secure Nottingham Forest top-10 finish as job under threat
Football Insider has learned that Nottingham Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis is targeting a top-ten finish this term as pressure grows on Steve Cooper.www.footballinsider247.com
But again, this is a source...no direct comments. This is just a means to avoid any lawsuit as it's not come direct from the article writer.
Alf-engelos Mindminackers
The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
'Every year we are improving and the dream is to see Nottingham Forest in the top 10 of the Premier League,' he adds.
Nottingham Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis names Premier League aim
EXCLUSIVE: Nottingham Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis is confident his team is more 'balanced' this season after gaining vital Premier League experience during their last campaign in the top-flight.
Just look at how many managers he's fired from both Forest and Oly since he's taken us over. He fired an Oly manager after about 4 games.
Redemption
One less gobshite...
I don't think anyone is specifically making it up.
I can find quotes from Marinakis that set the tone about Europe and being a dominant force and ambition etc. I can dig out his statement where he talks about "statement away win" and cups his balls for a successful summer recruitment campaign.
The 'top half' aim for this season is widely stated. So it could be 1 journalist made it up and all the others have copied it or it could be that the sentiment is being shared from the metonymical boardroom. Even Tofollo referenced it in an interview.
Fans pick up on this stuff because it's out there in the media. How did it get there?
As with you, this is not being funny, but when there are two reports (given above) which come from journalists who are known to have contacts within the club and a third one out there (as I recall) there comes a point where maybe the smoke may have a fire at the bottom of it.
I don't have a text from Marinakis directly to me that I can quote, no one here will have, but I do have articles from journalists reporting what he's saying. I can't get better than that so if that is not enough body of evidence I don't know what I can do.
If we keep discounting an evidence trail because we don't like what it says then there's no real point asking for evidence in the first place is there?
'Every year we are improving and the dream is to see Nottingham Forest in the top 10 of the Premier League,' he adds.
Nottingham Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis names Premier League aim
EXCLUSIVE: Nottingham Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis is confident his team is more 'balanced' this season after gaining vital Premier League experience during their last campaign in the top-flight.www.dailymail.co.uk
My eyesight must be failing me as I still can't see a deadline on when this is by, can you point it out to me please by what year?
It's only yourself and others which are setting deadlines or using "trusted" sources to set a deadline and then using that as a stick to bash him with when he sacks managers/changes players etc.