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Nuno Herlander Simões Espírito Santo

Satisfied with the replacement?

  • Yes

    Votes: 125 80.1%

  • No, I think we could've got better

    Votes: 31 19.9%
  • Total voters
    156
Thomas

Thomas

Martel Maxwell Enjoyer
FLC said:
Nuno won’t want a relegation on his cv without the opportunity to turn it round and get us back up. Whether EM sees it that way is another matter.
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You know damn well EM doesn't see it that way lol
 
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Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
All fair points. Hopefully, as @Thomas says, we'll stay up and it'll all be irrelevant.

But if we did go down, would Nuno have enough stock to get a Prem level job again? I don't think he would considering his failure at Spurs too.

We've dragged a lot of managers careers down over the years, and I don't think Nuno's would be any different.
 
M

'mist rollin in'

First Team Squad
I'd like Nuno to stay regardless of the division we're in. If we went down it wouldn't all be on Nuno, in the same way that it shouldn't all be on Cooper...
  • Signing several African players
  • Bloating the squad
  • Relying on Awoniyi when it was obvious he was prone to injury
  • Signing Sangare
  • Not having a keeper for the first half of the season
  • Breaching FFP
  • The elusive set piece coach
These are all reasons that have made this club incredibly difficult to manage. I do think that Nuno needs to build on his relationship with the fans, I get that it was always going to be difficult after Cooper, but sometimes at away games, you don't really see him acknowledging the travelling support or he does it very briefly. I'd just like to see a bit more engagement from him. I think we've got a chant for him now, so that might help.

The truth is that there is a lack of quality managers out there atm and I'd like to see what Nuno can do with a pre-season and one transfer window. I've been frustrated with some of his tactics and it's difficult to see where the improvement is, but there's been some positives. Got to back Nuno, don't want to be on that merry-go-round of managers again.
 
J

JonnoSnr

Youth Team
I think it's unfair to put down Nuno's time at Wolves as being due to having 'Champions League-level' players in the Championship. As has been pointed out it just wasn't the case. He had good players of course but he still had to turn them into a side capable of going up.

Neves was a cheat code at that level but don't forget that not only did he take them up but they finished 7th in the Premier League twice and got to a European quarter final. That's no mean feat and we'd kill for that here.

Some fans just won't ever accept him though as he replaced Cooper. I suppose sometimes in these situations you want to be the man after the man who replaced a legend.
 
Notcher

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
We can't stick the blame on Nuno if we go down, there's far too mitigating factors. You only have to look at history too, how many managers that have taken over a genuine relegation threatened club have gone on to keep them up? I can't actually think of any at all off hand.

If he does keep us up then he's going to be part of an elite number, possibly the only one and definitely the only one that also had a points deduction.
 
Notcher

Notcher

Stuart Pearce
'mist rollin in' said:
I'd like Nuno to stay regardless of the division we're in. If we went down it wouldn't all be on Nuno, in the same way that it shouldn't all be on Cooper...
  • Signing several African players
  • Bloating the squad
  • Relying on Awoniyi when it was obvious he was prone to injury
  • Signing Sangare
  • Not having a keeper for the first half of the season
  • Breaching FFP
  • The elusive set piece coach
These are all reasons that have made this club incredibly difficult to manage. I do think that Nuno needs to build on his relationship with the fans, I get that it was always going to be difficult after Cooper, but sometimes at away games, you don't really see him acknowledging the travelling support or he does it very briefly. I'd just like to see a bit more engagement from him. I think we've got a chant for him now, so that might help.

The truth is that there is a lack of quality managers out there atm and I'd like to see what Nuno can do with a pre-season and one transfer window. I've been frustrated with some of his tactics and it's difficult to see where the improvement is, but there's been some positives. Got to back Nuno, don't want to be on that merry-go-round of managers again.
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Good post. It was nice to hear the Nuno chant at spurs, I saw it on a video the other day.
 
Otis Redding

Otis Redding

Try A Little Tenderness
Redemption said:
Personally, I'm embarrassed by the foot in the telly.

Do it in your own home, If you like. I think it's a bit moronic but it's your home and your telly.

Doing it in public, in the director's box of NFFC, sat on your throne, with all kinds of VIPs and dignatories in attendance. That's just shameful, imho.
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Believe me Red, there are no VIPs or dignitaries in that section.
 
Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Gyros Peter said:
In terms of building relationships with fans isn't it as simple as winning games? Not easy at this level, granted.
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Nope. Cooper was doing stuff which connected him to the local community, and that played a big part of his endearment. For example, when a local primary school caretaker was murdered Cooper invited his family to the training ground.
 
Redemption

Redemption

One less gobshite...
A

Apollo11

First Team Squad
Alf-engelos Mindminackers said:
Nope. Cooper was doing stuff which connected him to the local community, and that played a big part of his endearment. For example, when a local primary school caretaker was murdered Cooper invited his family to the training ground.
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Doesn't Marinakis do quite a lot for the local community as well? Because you seem to judge him just on what's happening on the pitch/within the club but by your own admission above it's not just about winning games.
 
Otis Redding

Otis Redding

Try A Little Tenderness
Apollo11 said:
Doesn't Marinakis do quite a lot for the local community as well? Because you seem to judge him just on what's happening on the pitch/within the club but by your own admission above it's not just about winning games.
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Mr Marinakis does support a number of local community projects/charities, a prime example being Framework.

According to my wife, a local Labour party activist who has connections with Framework, EM retains some personal contact with that organisation.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Alf-engelos Mindminackers said:
Nope. Cooper was doing stuff which connected him to the local community, and that played a big part of his endearment. For example, when a local primary school caretaker was murdered Cooper invited his family to the training ground.
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Just one thing to note: the caretaker wasn't murdered was he?
Nor the 2 students.
They only died from manslaughter because of the perpetrator's mental illness causing him to have diminished responsibility.
shocking judicial decision - I can't believe even the criminal justice system is so broken.
 
Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Apollo11 said:
Doesn't Marinakis do quite a lot for the local community as well? Because you seem to judge him just on what's happening on the pitch/within the club but by your own admission above it's not just about winning games.
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No one becomes free from criticism just because of their off field endeavors and Marinakis hasn't run us very well; he's taken us to the bottom of the Championship and now plunged us into an FFP/PSR fiasco with relegation a likely possibility. Our upturn was when he stepped away from the club and allowed pros to run it much better.

That doesn't mean I don't appreciate the positive stuff he does though. In fact one of the reasons I want him (and his son) to take a more hands-off approach is to avoid the potential backlash which is brewing. He'd be a brilliant owner if he could use his ambition from a more detached position which doesn't micro-manage.

Captain Sinister said:
Just one thing to note: the caretaker wasn't murdered was he?
Nor the 2 students.
They only died from manslaughter because of the perpetrator's mental illness causing him to have diminished responsibility.
shocking judicial decision - I can't believe even the criminal justice system is so broken.
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Wow, didn't realize that. That's fecking nuts.
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Captain Sinister said:
Just one thing to note: the caretaker wasn't murdered was he?
Nor the 2 students.
They only died from manslaughter because of the perpetrator's mental illness causing him to have diminished responsibility.
shocking judicial decision - I can't believe even the criminal justice system is so broken.
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It was put through as manslaughter on grounds of diminished responsibility, which is still unlawfully killed as far as I understand.

Doesn't really matter at all to Emma Webber who seems to be banging the loudest drums about it at the moment, as she understandably feels she wants justice for her murdered son. (It's actually their younger brothers who I feel more sorry for, think they are both pre-GCSE age though might be doing them this year, and by all accounts looked up to Grace and Barney - takes sheer guts for Charlie Webber to show national TV into the bedroom like that though).

But none of the labelling is going to bring the 3 murdered people back is it? In reality if they were killed because Caldocane is too sick to be free without being tempted to stab and run over random people on a killing spree, then actually if it can be shown that he wasn't in control of himself, he didn't have the mental responsibility and checks on his actions, so actually - much as Emma might think otherwise - it's probably right what they have sentenced him for.

I think there's also the point that if he was sentenced for murder he could perhaps apply for release after his tariff even if he was on a life sentence so potentially could be free after 15-20 years to do it again. On a sectioning order or whatever they put him on, he'd need to be certified as fit to be released, which I don't think will be likely.

But yes, classy of SC to show the caretaker's family round as he also did for Caiden Storry (the lad who played the Last Post and didn't finish it). I'd like to think that Nuno would do the same...
 
M

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay
Notcher said:
We can't stick the blame on Nuno if we go down, there's far too mitigating factors. You only have to look at history too, how many managers that have taken over a genuine relegation threatened club have gone on to keep them up? I can't actually think of any at all off hand.

If he does keep us up then he's going to be part of an elite number, possibly the only one and definitely the only one that also had a points deduction.
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Not his fault if we get relegated. All his doing if we avoid relegation.

Got it.
 
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