Morgan Anthony Gibbs-White OF ENGLAND!!

[Red Ray's Redlist]

I just think you are overplaying how much we would have to adjust

We would miss his quality & intensity but the core principles of our team wouldn't need to change, the shape may have to change but we have done that all season anyway. Don't forget Nuno never even played with a number 10 prior to coming here.

I've often thought that MGWs positioning creates a headache for Nuno because he'd prefer a more solid midfield but recognises MGW is the best player we have and he wants to play as a 10. In a Nuno system he'd be better as an 8 (his best position in my opinion) but he just doesn't see himself in that role.

So it will be a big ask to replace him if he leaves but I wouldn't expect a like for like replacement, and it might actually evolve the team.

 

[Robertson]

Apologies- see my edit:

To expand a bit more: if he does move on MGW will probably be signing a five year contract, not six months. Even if we are playing in the champions league this autumn, it’s quite likely we won’t be in it by next spring, while Man City probably will be. Also we’ll probably be in mid-table while they’ll be challenging for the title. And MGW will know this.

I hope all this is me be being overly pessimistic. But I think it’s just realism.

 

[T.B.T.]

Not everyone is motivated purely by the money although I imagine 95% of moves are dictated by £££.

There are many positives but there are negatives too and there’s a possibility that MGW just may not want to go to Man City.

You’d expect his value as a Man City player and his wages would be significantly higher yet would he be guaranteed regular football? Little fish / big pond v. big fish /small pond etc.

How amazing would things be to play in Europe with Forest compared to how another season in Europe with Man City? Parallels yet very different perspectives.

How will MGB measure his own personal success?

Ok, he’s going isn’t he?

 

[GaribaldiontheExe]

Love him and he's a player we should build everything around. If he goes I,ll be gutted but it's understandable and I hope he helps us qualify for Europe before he moves onto pastures new

 

[Barry]

Can't get my head around the dribble in/kick in rule instead of throw ins Barry. My youngest is also under 8 and it's the most ridiculous rule I've ever seen. My daughter has got a strike like most 11 year old lads and so have a couple of her teammates. Every kick in is essentially like a free kick to us, it's a farce.

The FA being the FA have managed to surpass their stupidity for next season though. They U7s is going to be 3v3 with no goals. Yeah so let's introduce something that looks nothing like the real game and is nothing more than a glorified training drill. I'm sure the parents and young uns will buy into that.

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Yep my youngest lad who is under 8s will apparantly be the last year that does the 5 v 5 7 v 7 9 v 9 and then the 11 v 11...think girls football might be slightly different with how they move up or so I've been told can't see it but who knows.

Our club had a meeting on the movement to 3 v 3, they said that you are supposed to have two games and if possible 3 going off at the same time, no ref and the managers stood in between the 3 games.... sounds like madness to me. They weren't sure if goals are being used or not. You also need another manager as opposed to the two you need for 5 a side at present.

As for the kick in thing it's ridiculous, my lads team played against a team from Mansfield who had this kid who looked like Eric Cartman, so unfit for 7 years old but he had a massive kick.

I shit you not as it's roll on roll off subs they brought him on for defensive throw ins and free kicks then took him off like it was the NFL. It just ruined the game as it was subs every 30 seconds or so... our parents were raging as we'd driven all that way and this kid was brought on like a 7 year old Rory delap to hoof the ball the length of the pitch, no one learnt anything from the game especially the kid who he kept replacing. We won but one of the dads went over and told em straight "you are not teaching these kids anything." If it were my kid he'd have been moved club straight away as the dad was right. We couldn't believe it at first.

I wont name the specific club but It was a proper established club in the Nottinghamshire football scene club as well.... i know you are Yorkshire based now but you'll have defo played against them if you've done a few seasons in the YEL as a kid.

Even the current rules, meant my eldest lad who has just turned 17 played his first 90 minute game ever in the United Counties Prem... because that's the first opportunity he'd had to play in a full game despite playing twice a week since he was 7 himself.

Whilst I don't agree with a 10 year old kid trying to keep goal in a full size goal like we did as kids there has to be a limit that they mess with the rules.... the heading thing is daft as no kid till about under 12s heads it anyway and don't even get me started on the standard of throw ins...

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[Wes' Organ]

Our player, our price tag.
Pay up or fukc off.

 

[Apollo11]

Yep my youngest lad who is under 8s will apparantly be the last year that does the 5 v 5 7 v 7 9 v 9 and then the 11 v 11...think girls football might be slightly different with how they move up or so I've been told can't see it but who knows.

Our club had a meeting on the movement to 3 v 3, they said that you are supposed to have two games and if possible 3 going off at the same time, no ref and the managers stood in between the 3 games.... sounds like madness to me. They weren't sure if goals are being used or not. You also need another manager as opposed to the two you need for 5 a side at present.

As for the kick in thing it's ridiculous, my lads team played against a team from Mansfield who had this kid who looked like Eric Cartman, so unfit for 7 years old but he had a massive kick.

I shit you not as it's roll on roll off subs they brought him on for defensive throw ins and free kicks then took him off like it was the NFL. It just ruined the game as it was subs every 30 seconds or so... our parents were raging as we'd driven all that way and this kid was brought on like a 7 year old Rory delap to hoof the ball the length of the pitch, no one learnt anything from the game especially the kid who he kept replacing. We won but one of the dads went over and told em straight "you are not teaching these kids anything." If it were my kid he'd have been moved club straight away as the dad was right. We couldn't believe it at first.

I wont name the specific club but It was a proper established club in the Nottinghamshire football scene club as well.... i know you are Yorkshire based now but you'll have defo played against them if you've done a few seasons in the YEL as a kid.

Even the current rules, meant my eldest lad who has just turned 17 played his first 90 minute game ever in the United Counties Prem... because that's the first opportunity he'd had to play in a full game despite playing twice a week since he was 7 himself.

Whilst I don't agree with a 10 year old kid trying to keep goal in a full size goal like we did as kids there has to be a limit that they mess with the rules.... the heading thing is daft as no kid till about under 12s heads it anyway and don't even get me started on the standard of throw ins...

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Goals will be used as normal, them really small ones like you'd have in your living room. And the 2 games per manager is correct, makes no sense at all. There will be a lot of teams that fold in my opinion with these changes in format.

I'm dreading starting football with my youngest at 3v3, I really don't like 5v5 so to reduce teams even further will really wind me up

 

[Bob Fossil]

A little reminder of just how good Anderson was in the 10 when he played there V Palace & Leicester.

I'd go as far to say we looked a better all round team and it allowed Anderson's attacking attributes to shine more.

Remember the Maradona-esque dribbling?

MGW is an incredible player & I really hope he stays buy I'm convinced we've got a ready made replacement.

Is Anderson best at 10? - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c2455m73mpvo

 

[Notcher]

Yep my youngest lad who is under 8s will apparantly be the last year that does the 5 v 5 7 v 7 9 v 9 and then the 11 v 11...think girls football might be slightly different with how they move up or so I've been told can't see it but who knows.

Our club had a meeting on the movement to 3 v 3, they said that you are supposed to have two games and if possible 3 going off at the same time, no ref and the managers stood in between the 3 games.... sounds like madness to me. They weren't sure if goals are being used or not. You also need another manager as opposed to the two you need for 5 a side at present.

As for the kick in thing it's ridiculous, my lads team played against a team from Mansfield who had this kid who looked like Eric Cartman, so unfit for 7 years old but he had a massive kick.

I shit you not as it's roll on roll off subs they brought him on for defensive throw ins and free kicks then took him off like it was the NFL. It just ruined the game as it was subs every 30 seconds or so... our parents were raging as we'd driven all that way and this kid was brought on like a 7 year old Rory delap to hoof the ball the length of the pitch, no one learnt anything from the game especially the kid who he kept replacing. We won but one of the dads went over and told em straight "you are not teaching these kids anything." If it were my kid he'd have been moved club straight away as the dad was right. We couldn't believe it at first.

I wont name the specific club but It was a proper established club in the Nottinghamshire football scene club as well.... i know you are Yorkshire based now but you'll have defo played against them if you've done a few seasons in the YEL as a kid.

Even the current rules, meant my eldest lad who has just turned 17 played his first 90 minute game ever in the United Counties Prem... because that's the first opportunity he'd had to play in a full game despite playing twice a week since he was 7 himself.

Whilst I don't agree with a 10 year old kid trying to keep goal in a full size goal like we did as kids there has to be a limit that they mess with the rules.... the heading thing is daft as no kid till about under 12s heads it anyway and don't even get me started on the standard of throw ins...

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Yeah I started off playing in the YEL and I know instantly the team you're talking about as my club was in the Ashfield area so they were our local rivals. I'm not surprised that you witnessed that at all, we were discussing it when we saw the rule brought out and we said that it would lead to this exact situation.

Yes the 3v3 seems like absolute carnage. Where do they seem to think all these additional coaches are coming from too? They're struggling to get the amounted required as it stands. As I said previously I can't see the players and parents buying into it. Since my previous message I've been chatting to someone at my daughter's club and he's told me that the vote for it in the West Riding area has been 70% declined by clubs. Unsurprising really.

The whole thing stinks of someone that is making changes to keep their job role relevent.

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[valspoodle]

Of course, next season, when several top clubs are looking for goal scorers and midfielders, if all these Prem players are going to the 'big' clubs who can afford them, that will possibly leave the field open for other really good players to come to us from European Leagues. Because the 'big' clubs can only spend so much and buy so many top players and stay within whatever rules are in place at that time.

There are so many possibilities for the Summer window, it's going to be a fascinating time.

 

[sammy the snake]

To expand a bit more: if he does move on MGW will probably be signing a five year contract, not six months. Even if we are playing in the champions league this autumn, it’s quite likely we won’t be in it by next spring, while Man City probably will be. Also we’ll probably be in mid-table while they’ll be challenging for the title. And MGW will know this.

I hope all this is me be being overly pessimistic. But I think it’s just realism.

It’s not pessimistic mate. Forest have been phenomenal this season and things have really clicked. I’m under no illusions along with the majority that being a top half prem team would be a good achievement next season regardless what happens. One thing that hasn’t been mentioned is the ambition of EM in all this, he’ll be a significant ear worm for MGW and his influence will be crucial in any decision. MGW owes us nothing of course but I’d like to think Forest will be a significant milestone to him and he’ll look back with great affinity for this club and supporters. Good luck to him…. IF he goes

 

[bearwood red]

As far as we know, all this talk is extremely premature and City might not be prepared to pay what EM wants for him. But, it would obviously be sad to see Morgan leave. He is a quality player, and has been absolutely integral to everything we have done in the last three seasons. There are areas he needs to work on, but I’m not going to overstate his weaknesses just to make me feel better about the prospect of him leaving. He will be missed massively.

However, this is actually what success looks like for us. We don’t have the commercial or match day revenue of the bigger clubs. Therefore we have to generate profits on player trading to compete. It’s tough because you’re always having to identify the next group of players to recruit, develop and ultimately sell on. But it’s what Brighton have done for years, and everyone praises them for it. I’m afraid we have to get used to it.

The other thing I would say about MGW is that he has never given anything less than 100% every time he has pulled on a Forest shirt. And, like every other Forest player, as long as he is here and continues to do that, he will have my full support.

 

[Gaz1980]

Would be gutted to see him go as he's probably the best player i've seen in a Forest shirt since PVH.

But, he's under contract, and if wants to go then it'll be on our terms, not City's.

If i was EM, then no matter what European place we get, i'd offer him new terms as the best paid player at the club but with the proviso that he can leave in 1 more year but with him on a longer contract we get the best possible fee for him.

 

[GOBIAS]

I love MGW but if I was city I’d rather pay the £100m to get Wirtz. 21, a full German, established international player. He’s gonna be at the top level for a decade at least.

 

[Le Juif Rouge]

Even if we lose players to the benches of the rich 6, there are going to be a lot of good players out there who see Nuno as a great guy to play for and the WFCG atmosphere as a very desirable place to be.

 

[Statto]

I love MGW but if I was city I’d rather pay the £100m to get Wirtz. 21, a full German, established international player. He’s gonna be at the top level for a decade at least.

Well I'm sure they have Wirtz options to spend 100m on

 

[Flaggers]

I think it's prudent to forestall the question that will be asked by many if MGW leaves, so.


@ ForzaGaribaldi - those big tifo banners you have... Are they fireproof?

 

[Long Rodney]

I think Morgan would be very enticed by how City play, the idea of playing in a possession-based team must appeal to him, which is funny considering how well suited he has been to our quick counter-attacking game.

He was massively outshone by Eze last night, we desperately need the MGW we know to come to the fore for the remaining games, some moments of individual brilliance from the likes of him could be the defining factors in n this run-in.

 

[JonnoSnr]

Can't get my head around the dribble in/kick in rule instead of throw ins Barry. My youngest is also under 8 and it's the most ridiculous rule I've ever seen. My daughter has got a strike like most 11 year old lads and so have a couple of her teammates. Every kick in is essentially like a free kick to us, it's a farce.

The FA being the FA have managed to surpass their stupidity for next season though. They U7s is going to be 3v3 with no goals. Yeah so let's introduce something that looks nothing like the real game and is nothing more than a glorified training drill. I'm sure the parents and young uns will buy into that.

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I remember when I was a kid our school team got to the final of the Schools Cup at the CG and our main tactic was putting the lad with the biggest kick on goal kicks and booting it up to a striker as there were no offsides.

This was done with a full size ball too, it's no wonder that for years our players would get embarrassed on a technical level by even middling European nations.

 

[Notcher]

I remember when I was a kid our school team got to the final of the Schools Cup at the CG and our main tactic was putting the lad with the biggest kick on goal kicks and booting it up to a striker as there were no offsides.

This was done with a full size ball too, it's no wonder that for years our players would get embarrassed on a technical level by even middling European nations.

We've lurched from one extreme to another mate.

We were about 20 years behind the likes of Clairefontaine in France and the Spanish and Dutch for football development. At that time it was an arrogance on our part that we knew better. I was scoring between 80-100 goals a season when we were playing in the full size goals and pitches at between 10 and 14. I found it almost impossible to miss unless the goalkeeper was insanely good, I sometimes do wonder why the scouts picked me up because scoring seemed so easy back then at that age.

The change to small sided games and goals has exponentially improved young players, everyone gets at least 400% more touches on the ball now and the technical ability has improved as a consequence of that and having to deal with the ball in tighter areas.

Unfortunately we seem to be at a point now where we're bringing in rules and regulations for someone's job to seem relevant and it appears that these are ideas from someone that doesn't understand the game.

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[Browser79]

I think Morgan would be very enticed by how City play, the idea of playing in a possession-based team must appeal to him, which is funny considering how well suited he has been to our quick counter-attacking game.

He was massively outshone by Eze last night, we desperately need the MGW we know to come to the fore for the remaining games, some moments of individual brilliance from the likes of him could be the defining factors in n this run-in.

I don’t think he was. He scored a pen with a dodgy run up, megged Sangare and knocked one off the bar fair enough, but otherwise I thought we contained him pretty well until we stopped containing anyone at all late on. I think the press just fall over themselves to talk about Eze at every opportunity. Finest example of a Fleet Street halo I can think of. His PL numbers this year are pretty much the same as Morgan’s but he hasn’t led a team all year like Morgan has. Hasn’t put in the defensive work. In fact he’s gone missing for long stretches and his team are nowhere in the league.

For what it’s worth, I think playing through Sangare negates MGW to some extent. But otherwise agree he’s not sparkling as he has previously at the end of the season. There is still time though - as you say he’s the guy that has the individual brilliance and I wouldn’t trade that for the world.

 

[Berkshire Red]

For what it’s worth, I think playing through Sangare negates MGW to some extent. But otherwise agree he’s not sparkling as he has previously at the end of the season. There is still time though - as you say he’s the guy that has the individual brilliance and I wouldn’t trade that for the world.

I thought there were a few very good one-twos between Sangare and MGW. Signs that they could get on the same wavelength and become dangerous.

Eze is an exciting player, that's twice this season he's almost scored a 25 yead beauty against us. Something that MGW doesn't seem to have in his locked, or of he does he never shows us. City wanted him either last summer or the one before but he chose to stay at Palace. They were talking about a release clause in the range of £60m I think.

 

[Colbackstreet Boys]

I just hope Morgan has been fully briefed on the risks posed by boarding that particular ship at this particular time. From what I know of the case, I'd reason there's a 60-70% chance they're back in the Championship if not worse in two years time. It is not looking good whatsoever.

He could be captain of a steady top 7, Europa League standard squad or sold at a loss at circa 27 years of age to cover losses after two years of extremely limited minutes. A richer man? Absolutely. But his football stock could plummet and at that age and trajectory that could be your career done. Ask Kalvin Phillips, if you think I'm exaggerating.

As I say, I just hope he truly knows the risks, not given a sugarcoated "it'll be fine" analysis from his agent, who are not exactly bastions of good faith communication. Because they are substantial at this stage.

I would say I'm surprised that a once respected football club would be so brazen and lacking in integrity as to engage in briefings and tapping up of key players of Champions League rivals with four games to go, but then I remembered we are dealing with a club whose senior executives joked about dead UEFA executives over email.

Any true City fan would have stopped stepping food into that stadium years ago.

 

[Project Zeus]

I just hope Morgan has been fully briefed on the risks posed by boarding that particular ship at this particular time. From what I know of the case, I'd reason there's a 60-70% chance they're back in the Championship if not worse in two years time. It is not looking good whatsoever.

He could be captain of a steady top 7, Europa League standard squad or sold at a loss at circa 27 years of age to cover losses after two years of extremely limited minutes. A richer man? Absolutely. But his football stock could plummet and at that age and trajectory that could be your career done. Ask Kalvin Phillips, if you think I'm exaggerating.

As I say, I just hope he truly knows the risks, not given a sugarcoated "it'll be fine" analysis from his agent, who are not exactly bastions of good faith communication. Because they are substantial at this stage.

I would say I'm surprised that a once respected football club would be so brazen and lacking in integrity as to engage in briefings and tapping up of key players of Champions League rivals with four games to go, but then I remembered we are dealing with a club whose senior executives joked about dead UEFA executives over email.

Any true City fan would have stopped stepping food into that stadium years ago.

A 60-70% chance the FA will relegate them? I'll have some of whatever you're smoking.

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[Robertson]

Probably just end up having to pay the legal costs for the decades of man hours put into the case, given a slap on the wrist, and that will be that.