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[Notcher]

Doesn't surprise me at all given I think he probably left Arsenal thinking he'd be the first choice keeper here

I actually thought Turner looked decent his first four or five games, but IIRC he pulled a howler and looked nervous as hell ever after

His shot stopping isn't that bad really. As you said once head made that first gaff his head fell off. Unfortunately as a keeper, your mentality has to be the strongest of any other position, there's nowhere to hide, it's an extremely lonely position and you rarely get bailed out by your teammates. If you're not mentally capable of coping with that then it's the toughest gig going.

I'm not in the slightest bit happy with him being our No2, we need to recruit something stronger.

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

He's worse than all of those for me, and you can add Stephen Henderson to the list of shit keepers Vlach is worse than

I was with you until you just got ridiculous. Stephen Hendersondoesn't class as a keeper in my book so is out of this ranking.

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

Navas is without doubt the best keeper I have seen play for us. None of the others are anywhere near.

You could see why, even though he wasn't quite as quick/agile as before, he had won basically everything which could be won (except the fact he is costa rican), and how much his experience showed on the pitch.

Looking for a different option longer term and not going back in was the right move though.

Peter Shilton is outside and he'd like a word or two.

 

[Statto]

Peter Shilton is outside and he'd like a word or two.

Fair point but I was born after he left

 

[Otis Redding]

Having seen many, many 'keepers turn out for us over the past 67-years-or-so, myself and a couple of mates of a similar vintage compiled a top-10 from across that period over a couple of pints in the pub a few days ago. Here's what we collectively came up with:

Peter Shilton
Peter Grummitt
Hans Van Breukelen
Chick Thompson
Brice Samba
Keylor Navas
Mark Crossley
Steve Sutton
Jim Barron
Chris Woods.

 

[Statto]

I don't really remember much before Crossley was playing for us.

So out of the ones I've seen and solely in their time for us...

Crossley played most for us when we stayed in the top division (though in all relegation seasons), played in cup finals, played in UEFA Cup, played in the side finishing 3rd in 94-5 so that puts him ahead of any other PL keeper we've had.
Navas 2nd as he kept us up last season especially in the Southampton, Leeds and Arsenal matches and in plenty of others kept the score down so our GD didn't get battered.
Sels is difficult to place as he's still with us but is certainly a similar level.
Beasant probably the lowest of our PL keepers, not his fault really that half season we were terrible because of the board choices in the summer but he let in 8 vs Man U and we weren't quite as leaky at the back after Crossley came in shortly after. Was a decent keeper in the 2nd tier for us at the end of his career though.
I'd put Hendo about the same, questions about his distribution and we always looked like conceding - 4 vs Leics, 6 vs City, 5 vs Arsenal

Of the rest who are automatically lower because of not being top division
Samba no doubt at the top as he was always a top performer for us even in Hughton times and ended up with 1 play off finish and very nearly 2 in 3 seasons.
de Vries very underrated in a side which wasn't doing well, always thought he was better than Darlow
Camp - 2 play off finishes
Gerrard - solid keeper and wasn't really a main reason why we got relegated
Darlow - being young and English meant he'd go for a sum but wasn't very commanding and always vulnerable from range really.
Ward - Play off side was the highlight but did little else really, always seemed a bit unconvincing at this level, more a L1/2 keeper as he was at Notts mainly,
Pants - for a big lad you would have expected him to be decent on crosses and he wasn't a bad keeper but too many obvious weaknesses really
The rest in the CH we had were crap - Both Smiths, Steele, Muric, Roche, Henderson, Stojkovic, difficult to split the crapness really.

Paul Smith was clearly the best from L1 but wasn't much competition really, think we had Hoult down there for a bit and was just Pedersen really. Didn't make the step up as I've mentioned earlier though.

 

[Notcher]

I normally hold your opinion in high regard. But think fodderingham is terrible. I want him nowhere near Forest. I’d take turner over him as second choice any day.

The games I've seen him in he's been really good. That is a pretty small sample size though so I'm willing to accept that you might have watched him in different matches to me or seen more of him. I'm not attached to the idea if that's what you've seen of him then bud.

 

[Rubics]

If you’re comparing them in a forest shirt samba beats navas for me. He’d have been absolutely fine in the prem.

 

[Red Echo]

I think I must hold still Camp in higher regard than some. He was brilliant and (possibly) would've been alright in the top division, with Billy pushing the right buttons.

 

[Statto]

If you’re comparing them in a forest shirt samba beats navas for me. He’d have been absolutely fine in the prem.

I deliberately compartmentalised them into PL, CH and L1 keepers - we will probably never know about samba in the PL for Forest, but he did play in the French top division with Sels and they were considered amongst the top keepers (along with presumably Navas and Donnarumma at PSG) so he would have been fine I would say.

But we can't talk about Samba in the PL for us as he has never played for us there and as all of his appearances were at the level below that is where he was grouped.

He is certainly of comparable level overall to Crossley/Navas/Sels though

 

[Baronvon]

I think I must hold still Camp in higher regard than some. He was brilliant and (possibly) would've been alright in the top division, with Billy pushing the right buttons.

Camp was excellent for the 09/10 season, pretty good for the season after then went completely off the boil when he was denied a move to Swansea who'd been promoted ahead of us in the playoffs - who then went on and signed a much better keeper in Michel Vorm. He was going through the motions from that point and ended up being somewhat of a journeyman.

I actually always thought Paul Smith was underrated and often unfairly maligned in the Championship - I remember participating rather vociferously in the endless 'Camp vs Smith' debates on here back in the day. He wasn't the most commanding keeper but his shot stopping was insane at times. However, on reflection, I think he's similar to Turner in that mental resilience wasn't quite his strength when he entered scapegoat territory - unfairly in my opinion.

I'm sure I'm pretty much alone in this take mind and it's been near enough 15 years since that era - and his career didn't really go anywhere after he left us so maybe I wasn't on the right side of history regarding Paul Smith after all.

 

[tomw94]

His shot stopping isn't that bad really. As you said once head made that first gaff his head fell off. Unfortunately as a keeper, your mentality has to be the strongest of any other position, there's nowhere to hide, it's an extremely lonely position and you rarely get bailed out by your teammates. If you're not mentally capable of coping with that then it's the toughest gig going.

I'm not in the slightest bit happy with him being our No2, we need to recruit something stronger.

Turner is an excellent shot stopper, problem is that he has a guaranteed howler in his locker at least every other game.
A very solid number 2 in my opinion though and he was excellent in the cup.

 

[Notcher]

Turner is an excellent shot stopper, problem is that he has a guaranteed howler in his locker at least every other game.
A very solid number 2 in my opinion though and he was excellent in the cup.

There's just too many risks with him for me. The thought of having to play him for half a season if Sels got injured the wrong side of a transfer window makes my stomach churn. It's exactly this reason that Nuno went out desperately searching to replace him in January. It basically tells you that the management and club have no trust or confidence in their No2 stepping up to be the No1, a sentiment I fully subscribe to

 

[YatesehUltras]

There's just too many risks with him for me. The thought of having to play him for half a season if Sels got injured the wrong side of a transfer window makes my stomach churn. It's exactly this reason that Nuno went out desperately searching to replace him in January. It basically tells you that the management and club have no trust or confidence in their No2 stepping up to be the No1, a sentiment I fully subscribe to

This nails it to be honest. The assuredness that Sels has when compared to Turner with the ball at his feet has done wonders for my blood pressure in the second half of this season.

 

[Est.1865]

Turner is an excellent shot stopper, problem is that he has a guaranteed howler in his locker at least every other game.
A very solid number 2 in my opinion though and he was excellent in the cup.

Turner needs to be sold. Damaged goods.

 

[Timothy Pope]

Camp was excellent for the 09/10 season, pretty good for the season after then went completely off the boil when he was denied a move to Swansea who'd been promoted ahead of us in the playoffs - who then went on and signed a much better keeper in Michel Vorm. He was going through the motions from that point and ended up being somewhat of a journeyman.

I actually always thought Paul Smith was underrated and often unfairly maligned in the Championship - I remember participating rather vociferously in the endless 'Camp vs Smith' debates on here back in the day. He wasn't the most commanding keeper but his shot stopping was insane at times. However, on reflection, I think he's similar to Turner in that mental resilience wasn't quite his strength when he entered scapegoat territory - unfairly in my opinion.

I'm sure I'm pretty much alone in this take mind and it's been near enough 15 years since that era - and his career didn't really go anywhere after he left us so maybe I wasn't on the right side of history regarding Paul Smith after all.

Smith was a very good keeper, just mentally weak. He got ruined by the boo boys in the Trent End. Technically better than camp. Mentally worse than Turner.

 

[marshal99]

Camp was excellent for the 09/10 season, pretty good for the season after then went completely off the boil when he was denied a move to Swansea who'd been promoted ahead of us in the playoffs - who then went on and signed a much better keeper in Michel Vorm. He was going through the motions from that point and ended up being somewhat of a journeyman.

I actually always thought Paul Smith was underrated and often unfairly maligned in the Championship - I remember participating rather vociferously in the endless 'Camp vs Smith' debates on here back in the day. He wasn't the most commanding keeper but his shot stopping was insane at times. However, on reflection, I think he's similar to Turner in that mental resilience wasn't quite his strength when he entered scapegoat territory - unfairly in my opinion.

I'm sure I'm pretty much alone in this take mind and it's been near enough 15 years since that era - and his career didn't really go anywhere after he left us so maybe I wasn't on the right side of history regarding Paul Smith after all.

wasn't the rumor was that camp had some personal issues - his wife had an affair with david mcgoldrick, going through a divorce and get called up for NI in the meantime - camp did so poorly for a few games that 40 yr old roy carroll took over.

 

[Baronvon]

wasn't the rumor was that camp had some personal issues - his wife had an affair with david mcgoldrick, going through a divorce and get called up for NI in the meantime - camp did so poorly for a few games that 40 yr old roy carroll took over.

No idea about the salacious rumours but his NI career was strangely brief. Think he had a bit of a shocker when they were pumped by the Netherlands and was never seen in their squad again.

 

[GOBIAS]

The games I've seen him in he's been really good. That is a pretty small sample size though so I'm willing to accept that you might have watched him in different matches to me or seen more of him. I'm not attached to the idea if that's what you've seen of him then bud.

Likewise! My sample is small, every time I have seen him he’s played like he hasn’t got arms!!

I just think he’s a reasonable championship keeper. I’d rather have turner.

 

[Notcher]

Likewise! My sample is small, every time I have seen him he’s played like he hasn’t got arms!!

I just think he’s a reasonable championship keeper. I’d rather have turner.

I think what we'll see is Hennessy leave out of contract, Vlachuala sold, and Turner asking to leave anyway because he wants to be a No1. A situation I'd be very happy with, 3 decent sized salaries off the books, some money raised with 2 sales and an opportunity to look for a decent No2, Bott from the academy is back up at No3

 

[GOBIAS]

I think what we'll see is Hennessy leave out of contract, Vlachuala sold, and Turner asking to leave anyway because he wants to be a No1. A situation I'd be very happy with, 3 decent sized salaries off the books, some money raised with 2 sales and an opportunity to look for a decent No2, Bott from the academy is back up at No3

It is a difficult quandary really. Any keeper not playing is rusty, if you go for a good young keeper as back up they really need to be playing and gaining experience and you’d want them to want to play games really and it is a risk throwing them in when needed. A keeper mid to late 20’s or early 30’s there is gonna be a reason they aren’t a number one somewhere else. Either not good enough or no drive. Then if you go for an old experienced head they may not be up to it when they do get a chance as their are slowing down. Father Time.

 

[Notcher]

It is a difficult quandary really. Any keeper not playing is rusty, if you go for a good young keeper as back up they really need to be playing and gaining experience and you’d want them to want to play games really and it is a risk throwing them in when needed. A keeper mid to late 20’s or early 30’s there is gonna be a reason they aren’t a number one somewhere else. Either not good enough or no drive. Then if you go for an old experienced head they may not be up to it when they do get a chance as their are slowing down. Father Time.

All valid points and the age old difficulty in getting a No2 keeper. Finding a decent one that's happy to play second fiddle is as rare as hens teeth

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

Didn't cover himself in glory in the 3rd goal.

Been steady but not much else, ideally he'd be a backup choice for someone better but I think we probably need another 1-2 years at this level before we can make that a reality.

 

[Larry Lansbury]

Number 1 for next season. Has made some brilliant saves, decent with feet and looks a presence. Let’s gets spine of team consistent and sorted.

 

[Est.1865]

Number 1 for next season. Has made some brilliant saves, decent with feet and looks a presence. Let’s gets spine of team consistent and sorted.

Agreed. More than good enough for next season. Couple of great saves again today.